Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




1937 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


# 141249 5-Mar-2014 23:40
Send private message

Hi can anyone give me any general advice with regards purchasing a second hand handy cam?

Looking for something  cheap but still functional, that will integrate well with iMovie on Mac, and is considered good/reliable technology.

I don't mind whether it is a HDD/SD card or whatever other format so your thoughts on the best format, the best brand/model would be appreciated, along with any general buying advice (especially as it relates to older second hand models).

I'm not really up to speed with 1080p vs 720 or 24 vs 25 vs 30fps and the importance or otherwise. But I am guessing that all recent models will be 16:9?

Thanks in advance.

View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2
15024 posts

Uber Geek


  # 999893 5-Mar-2014 23:46
Send private message

Gopros seem to be all the rage at the moment. I don't think there is much to be gained buying a second hand handycam, as technology has changed a lot recently



1937 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  # 999894 5-Mar-2014 23:49
Send private message

Seriously a Go Pro?

I'm looking for second hand due to cheap. Go Pro is expensive well marketed branding right?

 
 
 
 


15024 posts

Uber Geek


  # 999895 5-Mar-2014 23:55
Send private message

ahmad: Seriously a Go Pro?

I'm looking for second hand due to cheap. Go Pro is expensive well marketed branding right?


They don't seem too expensive, compared to what they can do, and they are hi res. The last handy cam I purhcased back in teh 90's was 2k, and was just standard def on tape. You wouldn't want anything less than 1080p, or 720 at a stretch these days. But depedns what you are wanting to do, anything on youtube really needs to be 720 min these days. Buying that sort of thing second hand doesn't necessarily mean you will get it cheap, some second hand things on trademe go for a lot more than they are really worth, sometimes even more than they are new. Many of the handcams on trademe will be sony standard definition old technology.



1937 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  # 999897 6-Mar-2014 00:04
Send private message

Can I get a Go Pro for under $150, used or otherwise?

15024 posts

Uber Geek


  # 999898 6-Mar-2014 00:07
Send private message

ahmad: Can I get a Go Pro for under $150, used or otherwise?

Looks to be quite a few on trademe. Never used a gopro myself, but thinking of getting one for some videoing.

395 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

  # 999938 6-Mar-2014 07:53
Send private message

Hi - personally I think you'd right in looking for a s/h camcorder rather than a GoPro which is really suited to it's purpose ie. fixed mount action shot with a wide angle point of view.
The advantage of camcorders is that they usually have a good zoom range and are more ergonomic so you should get steadier footage.
As so many people are using smartphones for video now I would think you should be able to find a good camcorder for a reasonable (cheap) price. I'd suggest pretty much anything from Sony or Panasonic, as the main players, but there are probably good cameras from other manufacturers out there.
I'd suggest doing some quick research on whatever you find and look out for obscure video codecs that might not play nicely with iMovie.




Cheers,
Mike

Photographer/Videographer clickmedia.nz


3267 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  # 1000346 6-Mar-2014 19:43
Send private message

Traditionally DV tape has been the best quality video but inconvenient as it often requires Firewire to download to PC in real time. It is MPEG2. MPEG4 has made great advances in quality and have some technical advantages like requiring a deblocking filter (in MPEG2 it is optional), but not good for post editing as you loose too much info through the compression (in theory, but I have not done it myself though, just what I was advised by a good friend).

Check out Canon, they have good cameras and often cheaper than Panasonic/Sony. We very seldom use ours now that the kids are older, wonder if I should sell it, very well looked after. I'll think about it, but let me know if you get stuck and want check mine out. I'm in East Auckland.




You can never have enough Volvos!


 
 
 
 


15024 posts

Uber Geek


  # 1000352 6-Mar-2014 20:00
Send private message

Niel: Traditionally DV tape has been the best quality video but inconvenient as it often requires Firewire to download to PC in real time. It is MPEG2. MPEG4 has made great advances in quality and have some technical advantages like requiring a deblocking filter (in MPEG2 it is optional), but not good for post editing as you loose too much info through the compression (in theory, but I have not done it myself though, just what I was advised by a good friend).

Check out Canon, they have good cameras and often cheaper than Panasonic/Sony. We very seldom use ours now that the kids are older, wonder if I should sell it, very well looked after. I'll think about it, but let me know if you get stuck and want check mine out. I'm in East Auckland.


But I don't think you are likely to get an HD camcorder in good working condition, for $150 even using DV tape. It does really depend what the OP is going to be videoing though as to the best choice. Some of the videoing I have seen from some relatively cheap devices is amazing. If a tripod is being used, and SLR maybe an option, and you can get good depth of fields. It is horses for courses. On the cheaper devices, the storage will be the limiting factor.



1937 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  # 1000401 6-Mar-2014 21:45
Send private message

Seems I won't get HD for $100-150 - that's no big deal.

Will be predominantly used by a young person so I'm not really keen to be mucking around with DV tapes - I have a DV recorder and that serves my purpose great. This was more as a secondary cheap device that younger people can use and import easily into iMovie and cheap enough that I won't need to worry about them taking too much care with it.

If you have more details of yours Niel I might be interested but don't worry if you don't have time to dig those up.



1937 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  # 1000402 6-Mar-2014 21:56
Send private message

How about those handheld "Flip" cameras or the Sony Bloggie?

I guess the pros are compactness but the cons are a poor lens? I guess it doesn't even have a zoom lens and no chance of any image stabiliser.

22336 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 1000409 6-Mar-2014 22:41
Send private message

If you are getting locally check the fps.

I bought a Panasonic which was crippled into only having 50 and 25 hz modes. Same model in the states was 24/30/60.

50Hz looks awful when put into a 60hz project which if youtube is your target it should be. Particularly if you are going to drop game capture or a majority of stock footage into it. No reason to make 50Hz content at all now.




Richard rich.ms



1937 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  # 1001112 8-Mar-2014 07:59
Send private message

Ok so it seems the more I look into this, the more frustrated I get with stupid consumers and manufacturers racing to the bottom.

It seems that "FULL HD 1080" is a made up marketing term which in short means 1080i which in short means not good.

Basically I don't think there is a single affordable used camera that actually shoots 1080p - I'm not even sure that any of the big manufacturers released any into the NZ market at all, preferring to dupe people with this "FULL HD 1080" logo.

So what about something like a Canon Powershot SX series? They have super zooms, optical image stabilisers, and shoot 1080p video.

Are there any advantages in a specialised camcorder vs. a digital camera shooting video?

22336 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 1001178 8-Mar-2014 10:56
Send private message

Better ergonomics to hold dedicated video cameras when shooting. The still camera form factor basically came about from necessity for having film in it and still has not really evolved. It is a prick to hold still for any length of time compared to a movie style one with a wrist strap etc.

There should be nothing doing actual interlaced 1080i except for old DV based ones. They may be 1080p at only 25 or 30 hz presented out the hdmi port as 1080i because that's the only mode to transfer those framerate.




Richard rich.ms



1937 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  # 1001206 8-Mar-2014 11:30
Send private message

Read something that suggested all these "FULL HD 1080" cameras were all 1080i?

3267 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  # 1001269 8-Mar-2014 14:05
Send private message

So do you want HD or SD? I've misread the original post which refers to Secure Digital as opposed to Standard Definition. Proper HD is available but cost a fortune.




You can never have enough Volvos!


 1 | 2
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter and LinkedIn »



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Disney+ streaming service confirmed launch in New Zealand
Posted 20-Aug-2019 09:29


Industry plan could create a billion dollar interactive games sector
Posted 19-Aug-2019 20:41


Personal cyber insurance a New Zealand first
Posted 19-Aug-2019 20:26


University of Waikato launches space for esports
Posted 19-Aug-2019 20:20


D-Link ANZ expands mydlink ecosystem with new mydlink Mini Wi-Fi Smart Plug
Posted 19-Aug-2019 20:14


Kiwi workers still falling victim to old cyber tricks
Posted 12-Aug-2019 20:47


Lightning Lab GovTech launches 2019 programme
Posted 12-Aug-2019 20:41


Epson launches portable laser projector
Posted 12-Aug-2019 20:27


Huawei launches new distributed HarmonyOS
Posted 12-Aug-2019 20:20


Lenovo introduces single-socket servers for edge and data-intensive workloads
Posted 9-Aug-2019 21:26


The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 6.3
Posted 9-Aug-2019 16:57


Symantec sell enterprise security assets for US$ 10.7 billion to Broadcom
Posted 9-Aug-2019 16:43


Artificial tongue can distinguish whisky and identify counterfeits
Posted 8-Aug-2019 20:20


Toyota and Preferred Networks to develop service robots
Posted 8-Aug-2019 20:11


Vodafone introduces new Vodafone TV device
Posted 7-Aug-2019 17:16



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.