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  # 2332344 8-Oct-2019 08:08
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freitasm: "Best build your own" is not always an option for everyone.

I wish people would recognise this.

 

Security isn't something for free, Amazon or Google (either own knowledge or a job for professionals) - I wish people would recognise this.





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  # 2332348 8-Oct-2019 08:18
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I think you are not looking at this from the right angle.

Recommend something thta is user friendly, cost effective and actually works is one thing.

Saying people should do themselves is another. It assumes people will know best practices, won't screw up when installing software they don't know about and won't commit mistakes.

A lot of security problems come exactly from "tutorials on the Internet". Devs copy and paste example code from websites without knowing what it does or without thinking how it interacts with other bits.

Not everyone can read a tutorial and decide it is safe, secure or even works for their plans. Some people just want something that works and that's what people are talking here.




 
 
 
 


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  # 2332352 8-Oct-2019 08:30
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freitasm: Not everyone can read a tutorial and decide it is safe, secure or even works for their plans. Some people just want something that works and that's what people are talking here.

 

Fully agree. But they should at least KNOW about the downsides. They should know about the RING safety breach desaster despite their nice, cheap design, low prices or whatever. And you know for sure, it's not dedicated to ring devices alone. Marketing never deals with the downsides of the relevant 'convenient' product. 





- ISP1: T-OneBox FTTH modem, 1/.5G, full DS, VLAN7, VoIP + ipTV streaming flat

 

- ISP2: 4G/LTE USB modem + TL-MR3020, 100/40M data plan (wireless fallback)

 

- NET: ZBOX nano router, 2 C2960X-48TS-L, 2 GWN7630, GWN7610, EL1600usb

 

- SVR: E3C236 32G/20TB, H2 16G/2TB, 4 HC2 14/4/1/1TB, HC1 1TB, 42 Jetsons

 

- IoT+3D: LoRaWAN, 5G, CCU3 (openHAB/MQTT), 2 Ender-3, UM2E+, UM3, CNC

 

- USR: NUC8i7HVK, EliteBook 840, Aspire E5, N2, X300, tablet, mobiles, 2 4K TVs

 

- ipPBX: GRP2613, GO-Box 100, SPA112 (Fax and W-48, a 1948 Siemens phone)


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  # 2332375 8-Oct-2019 09:33
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It's much like the usual folk that come into every one of these threads, and recommend Dahua and leave it at that

 

How about expand on that, which Dahua cams, which NVR, what are the caveats e.g. most if not all dahua cams are wired only correct? Not everyone has the luxury of hard wiring PoE cams over the place


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  # 2332404 8-Oct-2019 10:27
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SirHumphreyAppleby:

 

kiwijunglist:

 

I have amcrest (indoor 2MP PTZ) and Dahua outdoor starlight turrets.

 

Dahua make much better cameras than ring, but obviously you miss out on the Ring eco system and subscription based services.

 

 

+1 for Dahua. Three convictions with the help of my cameras in less than three years.

 

 

I have a bunch of Dahuas, (Admitally they are Chinese ones with hacked firmware) but I have nothing but issues with their motion detection. Its either far too sensitive or not sensitive enough.

 

Some of the newer cloud offerings go a bit deeper with their motion detection which works well. I will be considering changing once finance allows.

 

 




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  # 2332494 8-Oct-2019 12:35
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Thanks for all the replies, I really appreciate you taking the time to help. I do not feel confident enough to build my own system (and quite frankly don't have the time to watch the tutorials and understand it all), but appreciate that there are many downsides to cloud-based storage. I therefore really thank those who take the time to help inform me, as otherwise I can only go on what marketers say, and I would prefer to understand what I'm really buying to make the best, most informed choices. I do basically want a plug and play system as much as possible, and don't mind paying a subscription fee. 


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  # 2332578 8-Oct-2019 14:11
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Another option is to phone a security installer and discuss your requirements with them.

 

I did this with one of our rentals, it was going to be $1000 worth of equipment + time for me to do it or $1500 for supply & professional install.. I chose the professional install and wouldn't hesitate to do it that way again. 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2333104 8-Oct-2019 22:56
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dt:

 

Another option is to phone a security installer and discuss your requirements with them.

 

I did this with one of our rentals, it was going to be $1000 worth of equipment + time for me to do it or $1500 for supply & professional install.. I chose the professional install and wouldn't hesitate to do it that way again. 

 

 

Just have in mind the moment a "security specialist" suggest port forwarding to a camera so you can watch the stream, run from that business. 





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  # 2333628 10-Oct-2019 07:33
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Yi cameras have a very good app and cloud recording of motion triggered incidents - but wifi only. Pretty cheap too.

 

What would folk recommend in the way of PoE cameras, with app and cloud recording?


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  # 2336381 13-Oct-2019 18:40
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BTW, if you think you have it finally done, there is another "slight" issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fywvB4Unjv4





- ISP1: T-OneBox FTTH modem, 1/.5G, full DS, VLAN7, VoIP + ipTV streaming flat

 

- ISP2: 4G/LTE USB modem + TL-MR3020, 100/40M data plan (wireless fallback)

 

- NET: ZBOX nano router, 2 C2960X-48TS-L, 2 GWN7630, GWN7610, EL1600usb

 

- SVR: E3C236 32G/20TB, H2 16G/2TB, 4 HC2 14/4/1/1TB, HC1 1TB, 42 Jetsons

 

- IoT+3D: LoRaWAN, 5G, CCU3 (openHAB/MQTT), 2 Ender-3, UM2E+, UM3, CNC

 

- USR: NUC8i7HVK, EliteBook 840, Aspire E5, N2, X300, tablet, mobiles, 2 4K TVs

 

- ipPBX: GRP2613, GO-Box 100, SPA112 (Fax and W-48, a 1948 Siemens phone)


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  # 2336389 13-Oct-2019 18:56
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Sounddude:

 

I have a bunch of Dahuas, (Admitally they are Chinese ones with hacked firmware) but I have nothing but issues with their motion detection. Its either far too sensitive or not sensitive enough.

 

Some of the newer cloud offerings go a bit deeper with their motion detection which works well. I will be considering changing once finance allows.

 

 

Sorry, I've only just seen this reply.

 

I also have Chinese hacked firmware versions. I don't use the built-in motion detection, I use the Blue Iris motion detection. While this picks up most things of interest, I don't rely on it. It's really just something that helps me pinpoint when things occur. I record 24/7 to a NAS.


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  # 2336422 13-Oct-2019 20:13
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All my dahua are english firmware versions, However I don't think the hacked firmware ones is an issue as long as you leave them closed off from the internet.





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  # 2336432 13-Oct-2019 20:23
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kiwijunglist:

 

All my dahua are english firmware versions, However I don't think the hacked firmware ones is an issue as long as you leave them closed off from the internet.

 

 

It's mostly paranoia I think. My cameras are not capable of communicating with the Internet, nor have I detected any attempts for them to do so.


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  # 2336469 13-Oct-2019 21:55
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SirHumphreyAppleby:

 

It's mostly paranoia I think. My cameras are not capable of communicating with the Internet, nor have I detected any attempts for them to do so.

 

 

It's NOT hackers are interested to spy on you, it's mainly to get in control about the CPU ressource to prepare massive DDoS attacks. You will not notice much before the attack starts. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8q8dab/15-million-connected-cameras-ddos-botnet-brian-krebs





- ISP1: T-OneBox FTTH modem, 1/.5G, full DS, VLAN7, VoIP + ipTV streaming flat

 

- ISP2: 4G/LTE USB modem + TL-MR3020, 100/40M data plan (wireless fallback)

 

- NET: ZBOX nano router, 2 C2960X-48TS-L, 2 GWN7630, GWN7610, EL1600usb

 

- SVR: E3C236 32G/20TB, H2 16G/2TB, 4 HC2 14/4/1/1TB, HC1 1TB, 42 Jetsons

 

- IoT+3D: LoRaWAN, 5G, CCU3 (openHAB/MQTT), 2 Ender-3, UM2E+, UM3, CNC

 

- USR: NUC8i7HVK, EliteBook 840, Aspire E5, N2, X300, tablet, mobiles, 2 4K TVs

 

- ipPBX: GRP2613, GO-Box 100, SPA112 (Fax and W-48, a 1948 Siemens phone)


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  # 2336493 14-Oct-2019 06:40
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Tinkerisk:

 

It's NOT hackers are interested to spy on you, it's mainly to get in control about the CPU ressource to prepare massive DDoS attacks. You will not notice much before the attack starts. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8q8dab/15-million-connected-cameras-ddos-botnet-brian-krebs

 

 

I didn't say anything about spying on users. I'm simply stating that the constant warnings posted regarding these products are largely paranoia. It's fine for them to be able to connect to the Internet (time servers in particular). Don't port forward and block everything inbound by default on IPv6, and you're not likely to have issues. The same advice applies to every other device on your network.


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