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  #2219411 16-Apr-2019 19:53
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I should point out I am currently working fulltime, just trying to move into a new role. Can't really move as wife has good job here and boys are settled in their schools. No spare money to move cities anyway :(

 

Would $65k be asking a bit too much for the type of roles I'm looking at?


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  #2219414 16-Apr-2019 20:01
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Technofreak:

 

Let me guess. You don't have a university qualification?

 

It hasn't affected my employment but from what I've seen unless you have a university degree you couldn't possibly do the job, despite the role not requiring that level of qualification and or if you're over a certain age there's no way you could possibly know how to make the most of modern communication like social media. Some person fresh out of uni with no relevant skills or experience gets the job, while someone well qualified experience wise doesn't even get an interview.

 

HR have a lot to answer in many cases for in the way they select job candidates.

 

 

And the higher level of loyalty and work ethic. (Apologies to young ones with these harder to find qualities)

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2219415 16-Apr-2019 20:01
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You either need to move sideways to a similar role with better renumeration or move up. Take a look at your existing organisation first and see how closely you match at present. You may be closer than you think and not much required to move up or sideways to a better role.

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  #2219416 16-Apr-2019 20:05
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gzt: You either need to move sideways to a similar role with better renumeration or move up. Take a look at your existing organisation first and see how closely you match at present. You may be closer than you think and not much required to move up or sideways to a better role.

 

Good point and expanding on that. OP could show initiative (not saying he hasn't yet) and walk to management, slam the door (figuratively) and tell them you want to grow in this organisation where he works now. Many people go to work and just work, less show the desire and nous to push forward. It looks good. Just as if people go door to door looking for a job, rather than the easy option of just answering job ads. Employers like a go ahead attitude. Again Im not suggesting OP doesn't have that, just another idea to get ahead salary wise




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  #2219420 16-Apr-2019 20:11
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That is a good idea and something I have been doing (except the door slamming thing) but yes a sideways move is definitely something I wouldn't be adverse to, my mantra is sometimes you have to move sideways to move up :)


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  #2219426 16-Apr-2019 20:16
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quickymart:

 

That is a good idea and something I have been doing (except the door slamming thing) but yes a sideways move is definitely something I wouldn't be adverse to, my mantra is sometimes you have to move sideways to move up :)

 

 

:-) I didn't mean actual door slamming! Just to exaggerate the point about being obviously serious to your management. Once they know you want more, I;m hoping they will do something for you and then, you can prove them that you are ideal for advancement. 


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  #2219530 17-Apr-2019 07:55
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Some people have luck moving within an organization into a better paying position. Usually just talking to your boss will open some opportunities.

Here's a tip: don't EVER say I'm looking for money. This is guaranteed to shut down the conversation.

Say you're looking for more responsibility and want to manage something, like a project. Make sure you bring it up at least once every couple of weeks,

If they say there's nothing to manage, suggest something nobody likes doing, like consolidating timesheets or managing expense reports.

It may take some months, but remember any sort of manager will get more pay.

And it looks good on your CV.

Honestly when I want more money, I move on...

 
 
 
 




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  #2220234 17-Apr-2019 21:46
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That's right, I don't usually move roles just for the money (although more is nice!), but at the moment it's partly money - however more of the motivation is I feel like I need a new challenge. I'm applying for internal roles as well, but will mention I'm looking to move on at my next 1:1...although I'm fairly sure he already has an idea (and is fine with it as I've been there a while now).

 

Thanks for all the suggestions, by the way :)


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  #2220423 18-Apr-2019 09:48
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gzt: You either need to move sideways to a similar role with better renumeration ...l


I don’t think he wants to be renumbered - he wants more muney. 😀




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  #2226590 28-Apr-2019 07:39
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How long should an application take these days? It seems to take a bit longer than it used to.


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  #2226592 28-Apr-2019 07:59
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I interviewed with New Zealand Police. They took 6 weeks before the interview. At the interview they said it takes at least one month to process the paperwork, though more was common.

They told me in candor most candidates found jobs elsewhere before they could make a formal offer. I think the low salary was also a factor.

I was told this position had gone through the entire process twice before, without hiring someone.

For me personally, I was told they were locating the jobs in the Hutt, which is known for terrible traffic. That's when I pulled my application.

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  #2226594 28-Apr-2019 08:00
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Make an effort to join some Meetup groups and spend an evening after work once every couple of weeks at an IT event - learn some Azure creating virtual machines in the cloud, a basic web app etc, it is surprisingly easy and very well supported. For example I went on an all day Azure bootcamp yesterday in Auckland that was completely free.  Also go along to a software testing Meetup - Ministry of Testing, I know someone who was in a similar position to you a few years ago and is now a senior tester after starting that in his forties with just general IT experience before that. Note he is really passionate about it and it shows, you will also need that extra oomph to get anywhere now.   Lots of technologies out there that businesses don't really understand or know about but are relatively easy to get good results with, another example is PowerBI - make a report with some of the underused data you have available at work if thats possible.


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  #2226596 28-Apr-2019 08:12
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quickymart:

 

That's right, I don't usually move roles just for the money (although more is nice!), but at the moment it's partly money - however more of the motivation is I feel like I need a new challenge. I'm applying for internal roles as well, but will mention I'm looking to move on at my next 1:1...although I'm fairly sure he already has an idea (and is fine with it as I've been there a while now).

 

Thanks for all the suggestions, by the way :)

 

 

 

 

Don't mention you are looking to move on at your 1:1 unless requesting applying to internal roles.  When you leave to a better job just leave else you are self sabotaging.




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  #2226597 28-Apr-2019 08:15
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Oh my manager knows I'm looking internally, but I don't think he knows I'm looking externally (yet). If I got something external that would be different.




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  #2226598 28-Apr-2019 08:16
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jonb:

 

Make an effort to join some Meetup groups and spend an evening after work once every couple of weeks at an IT event - learn some Azure creating virtual machines in the cloud, a basic web app etc, it is surprisingly easy and very well supported. For example I went on an all day Azure bootcamp yesterday in Auckland that was completely free.  Also go along to a software testing Meetup - Ministry of Testing, I know someone who was in a similar position to you a few years ago and is now a senior tester after starting that in his forties with just general IT experience before that. Note he is really passionate about it and it shows, you will also need that extra oomph to get anywhere now.   Lots of technologies out there that businesses don't really understand or know about but are relatively easy to get good results with, another example is PowerBI - make a report with some of the underused data you have available at work if thats possible.

 

 

That sounds awesome, except I don't get hardly any spare time during the week in the evenings (otherwise I would be into this!).


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