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sdav
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  #894113 11-Sep-2013 10:32

No offence to anyone (well, maybe a little offence) but the gold iPhone is awful. Personally, gold colouring on technology (except for watches) like this is super tacky and I assume you have just rolled in from the Jersey Shore... That's my stereotyping out of the way.

Today was pretty short and sweet from Apple. One thing I don't like is how Apple no longer offer anything on the day of the event. There were times when something was available on the day or the day after.

The fingerprint sensor is cool and I like the connivence it will offer.

NZ not being one of the first countries is no big deal. Sometimes we are launch but usually second. I would be disappointed if we weren't second this time around (not that I'm getting anything).

My plan all along was to see what was offered with the 5C and upgrade if the price was right. The price is definitely not looking right and I will be waiting another year - probably my longest time between phones, ever.

sdav
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  #894114 11-Sep-2013 10:33

reven: isnt the the iphone 5c just exactly the same as the iphone 5 but made out of plastic? in that case, just buy an cheaper iphone5...


The iPhone 5 isn't even on the NZ Apple Store anymore.

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  #894115 11-Sep-2013 10:33
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Just noticed on the apple website they are claiming the 5s cpu is 40x faster than the original iPhone. Well i would hope so, why compare their new phone to a phone that is over 6 years old!!! Yep they have really lost it.



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  #894128 11-Sep-2013 10:45
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kbkiwi: you guys are all crazy if you don't think the 5S is exciting.
1st 64 Bit chip in a smartphone
1st reliable fingerprint scanner
dedicated motion chip
all iWork & iLife apps now included for free (previously cost $60 for them from App store).


1) Fingerprint scanner, bet I can use a gummy bear* to unlock the phone still, it's a gimmick.
2) 64bit Processor? This is jargon, what does it do that previous generation iPhones didn't, or how does this make the phone "faster" - I bet you, once this is released my S4 will still win with almost every benchmark.
3) Dedicated motion chip, again, jargon, phones have been doing this for years, processors don't have to fully "wake" to do tasks, they can wake a single core at 100MHz to do it so again, marketing.
4) iWork and iLife, Android and iOS has had this for years with "Google Drive" + there's a myriad of other apps available able to do the same tasks, might not look "as pretty" but they still work the same. Would you pay $100 extra in a phone for this alone when the apps separate are about $20?

This is my yearly rant, people like me look past the marketing to the actual product. I know the S4 is full of gimmicks I never use but it's the beautiful 5" AMOLED display I was interested in. It all comes down to personal preference but in reality, it's the same phone re-badged with a different name.

*I will do a video on unlocking an iPhone with a gummy bear just to prove it's actually less security than using a PIN or Password, it's convince much like Android's "Face Unlock"




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  #894129 11-Sep-2013 10:46
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Fail of a phone and announcement.

What happened to Apple? Really lost the plot over the last 2-3 years. Not even close to market leading anymore

Motorola, Samsung, HTC and in some aspects Sony and LG all providing much more interesting features and phones.

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  #894132 11-Sep-2013 10:50
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sdav:
reven: isnt the the iphone 5c just exactly the same as the iphone 5 but made out of plastic? in that case, just buy an cheaper iphone5...


The iPhone 5 isn't even on the NZ Apple Store anymore.


Well spotted, I wonder if Telecom and Vodafone will keep on selling them until the 5S is launched in NZ? 

It would be strange if you culdn't buy the top level iphone at all for a couple of months.

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  #894133 11-Sep-2013 10:54
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I find it interesting looking at this link that Apple have removed reference to the iPhone 5 and comparing the 2 new models to the iPhone 4S:

http://www.apple.com/nz/iphone/compare/



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  #894134 11-Sep-2013 10:56
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No NFC is a real puzzler for me, with the march to contactless payment etc this is a no brainer

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  #894158 11-Sep-2013 11:34
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michaelmurfy:
kbkiwi: you guys are all crazy if you don't think the 5S is exciting.
1st 64 Bit chip in a smartphone
1st reliable fingerprint scanner
dedicated motion chip
all iWork & iLife apps now included for free (previously cost $60 for them from App store).


1) Fingerprint scanner, bet I can use a gummy bear* to unlock the phone still, it's a gimmick.
2) 64bit Processor? This is jargon, what does it do that previous generation iPhones didn't, or how does this make the phone "faster" - I bet you, once this is released my S4 will still win with almost every benchmark.
3) Dedicated motion chip, again, jargon, phones have been doing this for years, processors don't have to fully "wake" to do tasks, they can wake a single core at 100MHz to do it so again, marketing.
4) iWork and iLife, Android and iOS has had this for years with "Google Drive" + there's a myriad of other apps available able to do the same tasks, might not look "as pretty" but they still work the same. Would you pay $100 extra in a phone for this alone when the apps separate are about $20?

This is my yearly rant, people like me look past the marketing to the actual product. I know the S4 is full of gimmicks I never use but it's the beautiful 5" AMOLED display I was interested in. It all comes down to personal preference but in reality, it's the same phone re-badged with a different name.

*I will do a video on unlocking an iPhone with a gummy bear just to prove it's actually less security than using a PIN or Password, it's convince much like Android's "Face Unlock"


"1) Fingerprint scanner, bet I can use a gummy bear* to unlock the phone still, it's a gimmick."

good luck with your video (probably worth googling Sub-epidermal scanning before you start dissing the Apple fingerprint tech, it doesn't use a surface print)

"2) 64bit Processor? This is jargon, what does it do that previous generation iPhones didn't, or how does this make the phone "faster" - I bet you, once this is released my S4 will still win with almost every benchmark."

Pretty sure people say this every year with some variation of "what doesn't it do that last years phone doesn't" etc. The s4 was barely faster than the iPhone 5, so its going to struggle mightily against the 2x faster iPhone 5S

"3) Dedicated motion chip, again, jargon, phones have been doing this for years, processors don't have to fully "wake" to do tasks, they can wake a single core at 100MHz to do it so again, marketing."

A dedicated low power motion chip is far more battery efficient than anything that can be done from a main core - its ridiculous to argue it isn't.

"4) iWork and iLife, Android and iOS has had this for years with "Google Drive" + there's a myriad of other apps available able to do the same tasks, might not look "as pretty" but they still work the same. Would you pay $100 extra in a phone for this alone when the apps separate are about $20?" 

I agree the iWork apps are of dubious value on a phone (but having the functionality if needed is only a good thing) but on the other hand iPhoto & iMovie are hugely useful on iPhones and run blocks around any web based solution.


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  #894159 11-Sep-2013 11:37
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Well the market was unimpressed
"Apple shares closed down $11.53, 2.3%, to $494.64 after briefly surging to $507.45 on anticipation of the company's new smartphones. "




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sdav
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  #894162 11-Sep-2013 11:46

Kopkiwi: Fail of a phone and announcement.

What happened to Apple? Really lost the plot over the last 2-3 years. Not even close to market leading anymore

Motorola, Samsung, HTC and in some aspects Sony and LG all providing much more interesting features and phones.


What would you consider market leading though? A phone crammed with software features, most forgotten, a phone with a hardware upgrade? How big does the hardware upgrade have to be? What software/features from the above do you like?

IMO the issue (and it's not bad) is that since Android and Windows phones closed in on Apple it is harder for everyone to deliver blow-away features. This is not a bad thing but a sure sign that smart phone technology and ideas are currently plateauing. You can ask Samsung, Sony, HTC, LG, Huawei the same questions. What have they delivered that is truly market leading and turning the industry on its head in the their most recent phone releases? The reality is nothing. People expect Apple to release an upgrade on par with the original iPhone release every year. It just won't happen.

sdav
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  #894173 11-Sep-2013 11:51

gnfb: Well the market was unimpressed
"Apple shares closed down $11.53, 2.3%, to $494.64 after briefly surging to $507.45 on anticipation of the company's new smartphones. "


That happens all the time and is not indicative. People betting an iPhone 'S' release was going to be a game changer just lost some money...

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  #894175 11-Sep-2013 11:52
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sdav:
Kopkiwi: Fail of a phone and announcement.

What happened to Apple? Really lost the plot over the last 2-3 years. Not even close to market leading anymore

Motorola, Samsung, HTC and in some aspects Sony and LG all providing much more interesting features and phones.


What would you consider market leading though? A phone crammed with software features, most forgotten, a phone with a hardware upgrade? How big does the hardware upgrade have to be? What software/features from the above do you like?

IMO the issue (and it's not bad) is that since Android and Windows phones closed in on Apple it is harder for everyone to deliver blow-away features. This is not a bad thing but a sure sign that smart phone technology and ideas are currently plateauing. You can ask Samsung, Sony, HTC, LG, Huawei the same questions. What have they delivered that is truly market leading and turning the industry on its head in the their most recent phone releases? The reality is nothing. People expect Apple to release an upgrade on par with the original iPhone release every year. It just won't happen.


wireless charging, larger display, better keyboard (swift key, or do they already do this?), more personalised phone (widgets, live tiles), support open protocols (miracast etc, so I can screenshare my phone with a tv I already own and dont need another device to do so).

if the phones arent changing all that much and they're running out of things they can do, then why not start lowering the price?  charging the same each year for something that isn't keep up, whats the point?

I use to love apple, they were the market leaders, do some really cool things.  they've just gone stale. 

sdav
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  #894176 11-Sep-2013 11:53

jonb:
sdav:
reven: isnt the the iphone 5c just exactly the same as the iphone 5 but made out of plastic? in that case, just buy an cheaper iphone5...


The iPhone 5 isn't even on the NZ Apple Store anymore.


Well spotted, I wonder if Telecom and Vodafone will keep on selling them until the 5S is launched in NZ? 

It would be strange if you culdn't buy the top level iphone at all for a couple of months.


I think they will. But yeah, strange that the only phone you can by from Apple is a 4S. Maybe it's a mistake with the site or maybe the iPhone 5S and C are closer to release here than we think?

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  #894177 11-Sep-2013 11:54
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sdav:
gnfb: Well the market was unimpressed
"Apple shares closed down $11.53, 2.3%, to $494.64 after briefly surging to $507.45 on anticipation of the company's new smartphones. "


That happens all the time and is not indicative. People betting an iPhone 'S' release was going to be a game changer just lost some money...


There was enough of a rise up till Tuesday to make it worth a punt!




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