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kbkiwi:
"2) 64bit Processor? This is jargon, what does it do that previous generation iPhones didn't, or how does this make the phone "faster" - I bet you, once this is released my S4 will still win with almost every benchmark."
Pretty sure people say this every year with some variation of "what doesn't it do that last years phone doesn't" etc. The s4 was barely faster than the iPhone 5, so its going to struggle mightily against the 2x faster iPhone 5S
reven:
wireless charging, larger display, better keyboard (swift key, or do they already do this?), more personalised phone (widgets, live tiles), support open protocols (miracast etc, so I can screenshare my phone with a tv I already own and dont need another device to do so).
if the phones arent changing all that much and they're running out of things they can do, then why not start lowering the price? charging the same each year for something that isn't keep up, whats the point?
I use to love apple, they were the market leaders, do some really cool things. they've just gone stale.
Wireless charging - you need a mat and can only charge it there, it's not like it charges over a cell phone network or wifi...
Inphinity: Most independent benchmarking suites put the S4 at about twice the performance of the 5, so it's more likely that the 5s will bring parity back.
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reven: also google are really trying to come up with some great ideas like google glasses (sure a gimmick now, but in a few years could be very cool). and there are rumors of a android gaming console which could use google glasses.
plus google tv (which should just be replaced with android, no clue why they have 2 different OSs (3 if you include chromeos)).
so google are doing some amazing things, getting the same OS (or very similar OS with googletv) in many different devices that can easily talk to each other and use the same hardware (google glasses).
with google tv, you will have a game console built into your tv (when it finally gets down here, and into more tvs, but clearly its the way to go), you will be able to run loads of apps (sure not all designed for tv, but can be adapted, or controlled via phone/tablet/glasses) etc.
so dont argue theres nothing else they can do, theres lots they can do.
kbkiwi: you guys are all crazy if you don't think the 5S is exciting.
1st 64 Bit chip in a smartphone
1st reliable fingerprint scanner
dedicated motion chip
all iWork & iLife apps now included for free (previously cost $60 for them from App store).
Regards,
Old3eyes
ajobbins:Inphinity: Most independent benchmarking suites put the S4 at about twice the performance of the 5, so it's more likely that the 5s will bring parity back.
Of course the S4 is nearly 4 months old now, and Samsung seem to be on a faster device cycle that Apple - so it might only be another 6 months until we see the S5 - which will almost certainly overtake performance again.
kbkiwi:
"1) Fingerprint scanner, bet I can use a gummy bear* to unlock the phone still, it's a gimmick."
good luck with your video (probably worth googling Sub-epidermal scanning before you start dissing the Apple fingerprint tech, it doesn't use a surface print)
"2) 64bit Processor? This is jargon, what does it do that previous generation iPhones didn't, or how does this make the phone "faster" - I bet you, once this is released my S4 will still win with almost every benchmark."
Pretty sure people say this every year with some variation of "what doesn't it do that last years phone doesn't" etc. The s4 was barely faster than the iPhone 5, so its going to struggle mightily against the 2x faster iPhone 5S
"3) Dedicated motion chip, again, jargon, phones have been doing this for years, processors don't have to fully "wake" to do tasks, they can wake a single core at 100MHz to do it so again, marketing."
A dedicated low power motion chip is far more battery efficient than anything that can be done from a main core - its ridiculous to argue it isn't.
"4) iWork and iLife, Android and iOS has had this for years with "Google Drive" + there's a myriad of other apps available able to do the same tasks, might not look "as pretty" but they still work the same. Would you pay $100 extra in a phone for this alone when the apps separate are about $20?"
I agree the iWork apps are of dubious value on a phone (but having the functionality if needed is only a good thing) but on the other hand iPhoto & iMovie are hugely useful on iPhones and run blocks around any web based solution.
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michaelmurfy:
...the S4 and HTC One have video editing
mattwnz: Has to be one of the most underwhelming updates ever by Apple. No ipod updates either apart from a colour update. I don't know why anyone world want a 5c phone over an iPhone 5, if you want a plastic backed phone you would go for a S4 which is probably cheaper. Bundling previously paid software sounds to me more of desperation as the other updates from a user perspective are pretty under whelming. What happened to a new ipads, guessing there is another keynote later on the year. What happened to the iwatch or even apple TV. Their products are just starting to look dated and if they aren't careful they could become another nokia.
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sdav:mattwnz: Has to be one of the most underwhelming updates ever by Apple. No ipod updates either apart from a colour update. I don't know why anyone world want a 5c phone over an iPhone 5, if you want a plastic backed phone you would go for a S4 which is probably cheaper. Bundling previously paid software sounds to me more of desperation as the other updates from a user perspective are pretty under whelming. What happened to a new ipads, guessing there is another keynote later on the year. What happened to the iwatch or even apple TV. Their products are just starting to look dated and if they aren't careful they could become another nokia.
I think there is one in October? But yeah, pretty boring really. I didn't even bother reading the rumours except for pictures of what it would look like so I expected more features but that was pretty thin. I think Apple need to move from a 2 year cycle to maybe a 1 year re-design cycle? This is exactly the same as the 3GS and the 4s updates so I din't expect much. Apple's focus is on iOS 7 this year and I expected more features being revealed and it being available today. That would have been enough.
mattwnz:sdav:mattwnz: Has to be one of the most underwhelming updates ever by Apple. No ipod updates either apart from a colour update. I don't know why anyone world want a 5c phone over an iPhone 5, if you want a plastic backed phone you would go for a S4 which is probably cheaper. Bundling previously paid software sounds to me more of desperation as the other updates from a user perspective are pretty under whelming. What happened to a new ipads, guessing there is another keynote later on the year. What happened to the iwatch or even apple TV. Their products are just starting to look dated and if they aren't careful they could become another nokia.
I think there is one in October? But yeah, pretty boring really. I didn't even bother reading the rumours except for pictures of what it would look like so I expected more features but that was pretty thin. I think Apple need to move from a 2 year cycle to maybe a 1 year re-design cycle? This is exactly the same as the 3GS and the 4s updates so I din't expect much. Apple's focus is on iOS 7 this year and I expected more features being revealed and it being available today. That would have been enough.
Not only boring but also not great overall. The 5c was supposed to be a budget iPhone which people thought would be around that $500 nz mark, but it looks like it will be closer to 1000.That is for a phone that is essentially a year old, as it is basically an iPhone 5 with a plastic case. I also think it looks ugly, it is like they intentional made it look cheap to push people to the 5s which is a very nice looking phone. There is no doubt I would pay 100 more for the 5s over the 5c.
sdav:
Yeah surely the 5S is going to consume some of 5C's market with prices so close. I agree, I thought the price would be a lot lower. My plan was to perhaps get a 5C but I won't get either now! Will wait for the 6.
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