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  # 1016984 2-Apr-2014 09:00
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@JimmyC:
 

And that overlap is solely Office? Seems very specific in light of what both devices can do, but if that's your requirement then it sounds perfectly suited to me. 


 

Yeah, for me think the overlap would be about right. Well, I think it would anyway. 

For me phone and tablet wouldn't overlap that much and OneDrive would provide a link for photos and such. 

Where do you think I'd be missing out not going whole hog with iPad and iPhone? 

Truth is I don't know enough about iOS. 






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  # 1017029 2-Apr-2014 10:39
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For starters, you wouldn't need an external sync space for photo's. Pics taken on either device will appear automatically on the other with PhotoStream. Swap documents between them with AirDrop.

Other considerations like pay for a universal app once and use on both devices. FaceTime calls between devices. Same music library. Shared and sync'd reading\bookmark lists. Off the top of my head... 

 
 
 
 


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  # 1017031 2-Apr-2014 10:42
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JimmyC: For starters, you wouldn't need an external sync space for photo's. Pics taken on either device will appear automatically on the other with PhotoStream. Swap documents between them with AirDrop.

Other considerations like pay for a universal app once and use on both devices. FaceTime calls between devices. Same music library. Shared and sync'd reading\bookmark lists. Off the top of my head... 


Good points, more thinking on my part required. 




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  # 1017064 2-Apr-2014 11:17
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Whilst you do indeed now have a wider choice of devices on which to run Office, opting for the Surface (or Pro) is still a far better option if you want to be productive on a tablet. The Surface is a much more capable tablet then the iPad, from a productivity perspective.

 

1. On the Surface I can view two apps side by side. When editing documents, I can have a web browser on one side and Word on the other. It’s just one example, but multi-tasking is much better on the Surface and Surface Pro than it is on the iPad.

 

2. Multi-user accounts. I share my tablet with other people, so with each person having their own user account, everyone can setup their own start screens, their own settings, their own apps, etc without interfering with each other’s stuff.

 

3. Full USB 3.0 port – sometimes the best way to transfer large files is to pop in a USB stick or connect an external hard drive.

 

4. Micro SD card – this allows me to increase the storage by up to 128 GB.

 

5. Multi-monitor support. This allows me to connect the Surface to an external monitor and extend the desktop over two screens. It’s not just mirroring, but actual extending over two screens and you can interact with each one independently. When docked to an external mouse and keyboard, this allows for desktop PC levels of productivity. Surface Pro 2 even supports 4 external monitors.

 

4. Live Tiles, and particularly the Secondary Live Tile, make the Start screen into a much more efficient and organised environment, because many apps allow you to pin live-data shortcut tiles which take you directly to a specific part of your app. It makes using apps much more efficient. For example, I can have my most important contacts pinned to the Start screen, and their tiles update with their emails and messages, and by clicking on a person it opens up the People hub and takes me right to their details page. Or I might have a finance app where I have pinned several stocks feeds to the start screen, and clicking on one of them takes me directly to the relevant section in the Finance app.

 

5. Better on-screen keyboard. Ironically, the Surface has a much more productive on-screen keyboard than the iPad, because I can have a full standard keyboard layout, including numbers and function keys, without having to switch modes. I hate switching between numbers and letters on the iPad. The Surface Pro is also superior for hand-writing input, because it has a digitiser, although even the Surface (RT) is better than the iPad for hand-writing input.

 

6. Mouse support – this allows me to use the tablet as a laptop, or as a desktop PC when docked.

 

7. Full native file system access. This allows me to manage my files exactly how I want.

 

There are lots of other reasons which I’m too lazy to list, but the general gist here is that the Surface simply doesn’t have the limitations of the iPad. When you need to be productive, the last thing you want is hurdles getting in your way, especially if you don’t have these hurdles on your other devices such as laptops and desktops.


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  # 1017084 2-Apr-2014 11:35
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@nathan

The question of how much a emphasis person places productivity versus other variables such as mobility, app support, price or integration with other devices is a deeply person one.

With all due respect if Microsoft had a strategy which went beyond 'Surface [Pro or with RT] is the most productive tablet on the market' they would sell more. To be blunt, even this should include; with the keyboard which is a additional extra. 

I went looking for Instapaper today. There is a iOS app and an Android app. No Windows Phone, no Windows RT. There might be an alternative for Windows devices but there are also alternatives to Windows devices.  




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  # 1017087 2-Apr-2014 11:40
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@crackrdbycracku - Reading List. It's baked into Windows 8.1 installs. It's what you want to use over a 3rd party app.

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/windows-81-tip-read-it-later-reading-list




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  # 1017097 2-Apr-2014 11:50
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nathan: Whilst you do indeed now have a wider choice of devices on which to run Office, opting for the Surface (or Pro) is still a far better option if you want to be productive on a tablet. The Surface is a much more capable tablet then the iPad, from a productivity perspective.

1. On the Surface I can view two apps side by side. When editing documents, I can have a web browser on one side and Word on the other. It’s just one example, but multi-tasking is much better on the Surface and Surface Pro than it is on the iPad.

2. Multi-user accounts. I share my tablet with other people, so with each person having their own user account, everyone can setup their own start screens, their own settings, their own apps, etc without interfering with each other’s stuff.

3. Full USB 3.0 port – sometimes the best way to transfer large files is to pop in a USB stick or connect an external hard drive.

4. Micro SD card – this allows me to increase the storage by up to 128 GB.

5. Multi-monitor support. This allows me to connect the Surface to an external monitor and extend the desktop over two screens. It’s not just mirroring, but actual extending over two screens and you can interact with each one independently. When docked to an external mouse and keyboard, this allows for desktop PC levels of productivity. Surface Pro 2 even supports 4 external monitors.

4. Live Tiles, and particularly the Secondary Live Tile, make the Start screen into a much more efficient and organised environment, because many apps allow you to pin live-data shortcut tiles which take you directly to a specific part of your app. It makes using apps much more efficient. For example, I can have my most important contacts pinned to the Start screen, and their tiles update with their emails and messages, and by clicking on a person it opens up the People hub and takes me right to their details page. Or I might have a finance app where I have pinned several stocks feeds to the start screen, and clicking on one of them takes me directly to the relevant section in the Finance app.

5. Better on-screen keyboard. Ironically, the Surface has a much more productive on-screen keyboard than the iPad, because I can have a full standard keyboard layout, including numbers and function keys, without having to switch modes. I hate switching between numbers and letters on the iPad. The Surface Pro is also superior for hand-writing input, because it has a digitiser, although even the Surface (RT) is better than the iPad for hand-writing input.

6. Mouse support – this allows me to use the tablet as a laptop, or as a desktop PC when docked.

7. Full native file system access. This allows me to manage my files exactly how I want.

There are lots of other reasons which I’m too lazy to list, but the general gist here is that the Surface simply doesn’t have the limitations of the iPad. When you need to be productive, the last thing you want is hurdles getting in your way, especially if you don’t have these hurdles on your other devices such as laptops and desktops.



are you paid to post these? every one of your post sounds exactly like the previous ones




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  # 1017099 2-Apr-2014 11:52
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billgates: @crackrdbycracku - Reading List. It's baked into Windows 8.1 installs. It's what you want to use over a 3rd party app.

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/windows-81-tip-read-it-later-reading-list



Had a look but what I want is something I can access on any browser and save to an account. This doesn't appear to have a central website or simple UI like Instapaper.  




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  # 1017424 2-Apr-2014 18:17
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joker97:
nathan: Whilst you do indeed now have a wider choice of devices on which to run Office, opting for the Surface (or Pro) is still a far better option if you want to be productive on a tablet. The Surface is a much more capable tablet then the iPad, from a productivity perspective.

1. On the Surface I can view two apps side by side. When editing documents, I can have a web browser on one side and Word on the other. It’s just one example, but multi-tasking is much better on the Surface and Surface Pro than it is on the iPad.

2. Multi-user accounts. I share my tablet with other people, so with each person having their own user account, everyone can setup their own start screens, their own settings, their own apps, etc without interfering with each other’s stuff.

3. Full USB 3.0 port – sometimes the best way to transfer large files is to pop in a USB stick or connect an external hard drive.

4. Micro SD card – this allows me to increase the storage by up to 128 GB.

5. Multi-monitor support. This allows me to connect the Surface to an external monitor and extend the desktop over two screens. It’s not just mirroring, but actual extending over two screens and you can interact with each one independently. When docked to an external mouse and keyboard, this allows for desktop PC levels of productivity. Surface Pro 2 even supports 4 external monitors.

4. Live Tiles, and particularly the Secondary Live Tile, make the Start screen into a much more efficient and organised environment, because many apps allow you to pin live-data shortcut tiles which take you directly to a specific part of your app. It makes using apps much more efficient. For example, I can have my most important contacts pinned to the Start screen, and their tiles update with their emails and messages, and by clicking on a person it opens up the People hub and takes me right to their details page. Or I might have a finance app where I have pinned several stocks feeds to the start screen, and clicking on one of them takes me directly to the relevant section in the Finance app.

5. Better on-screen keyboard. Ironically, the Surface has a much more productive on-screen keyboard than the iPad, because I can have a full standard keyboard layout, including numbers and function keys, without having to switch modes. I hate switching between numbers and letters on the iPad. The Surface Pro is also superior for hand-writing input, because it has a digitiser, although even the Surface (RT) is better than the iPad for hand-writing input.

6. Mouse support – this allows me to use the tablet as a laptop, or as a desktop PC when docked.

7. Full native file system access. This allows me to manage my files exactly how I want.

There are lots of other reasons which I’m too lazy to list, but the general gist here is that the Surface simply doesn’t have the limitations of the iPad. When you need to be productive, the last thing you want is hurdles getting in your way, especially if you don’t have these hurdles on your other devices such as laptops and desktops.



are you paid to post these? every one of your post sounds exactly like the previous ones


my experience of shortcomings in iOS considering I'm a Windows, iOS and Android user daily
A few of the things above I mentioned Android does as well but not iOS.

Feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong.

I still believe there is a massive segment of the install base that wants a tablet and needs a PC.

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  # 1017462 2-Apr-2014 19:10
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ok so long as you aren't the commissioned to market the Surface :D

just felt like you were :D

apologies




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  # 1017482 2-Apr-2014 19:50
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clearly I'm biased.  You know where I work.  But I'm also a hard out user of ALL gadgets from all 3 ecosystems

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  # 1034024 30-Apr-2014 14:46
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What's the deal with not allowing people to open office documents from Dropbox? Is this functionality coming soon. Also I am not sure if this is an office or IOS problem but one of my EU just reported if he tries to open a Word document which is an attachment within email it won't open word for Ipad. Not sure where you would set a file association ? 


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  # 1034060 30-Apr-2014 15:28
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I think if you tap and hold the attachment, it gives you the option.
I know I have opened excel and word documents attached to emails on my ipad.

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  # 1034061 30-Apr-2014 15:30
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trig42: I think if you tap and hold the attachment, it gives you the option.
I know I have opened excel and word documents attached to emails on my ipad.

 


Cheers I'll let them know!

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