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# 143157 4-Apr-2014 21:05
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I currently have an iPhone 5s.
When sending an iMessage (using wifi or 3G) the phone is supposed to convert the message to a SMS.
When sending a SMS to my wife's iPhone 5 (who has iMessage turned off), she doesn't receive the message. I either have to turn off iMessage or she has to turn it on.
It's the same with my mother who is using an iPhone 4s.
We are all on telecom, anyone have the same issue or know of a fix?
Thanks

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  # 1018813 4-Apr-2014 21:32
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Are you sure you have the "send as SMS if iMessage not available' option selected?

It's under settings > messages, about the 3rd option down






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  # 1018878 5-Apr-2014 08:04
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What do you mean the phone is supposed to convert it to SMS?

If iMessage is on, and it thinks the receiving device is iOS, it will go as iMessage - if it thinks it is not an iOS device, it will go as SMS instead.

You can turn off iMessage on your phone to force all to go as SMS, or tap and hold on an individual message to send that as SMS.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1018893 5-Apr-2014 09:37
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I thought the expected behavior was that it first tries to send as iMessage if available, and if that fails it drops to SMS after say 60 seconds of trying.

Do you have the setting enabled that scuwp suggested?

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  # 1018908 5-Apr-2014 10:11
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AFAIK when sending a message to a cell number, it checks with Apple to see if that number is registered to an iOS device, and if so, trys to send as iMessage. If the recipient used to have an iOS device and no longer does, it seems to keep trying to send as iMessage for a couple of weeks before deciding that SMS should be used for that recipient.

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  # 1018910 5-Apr-2014 10:28
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RunningMan: AFAIK when sending a message to a cell number, it checks with Apple to see if that number is registered to an iOS device, and if so, trys to send as iMessage. If the recipient used to have an iOS device and no longer does, it seems to keep trying to send as iMessage for a couple of weeks before deciding that SMS should be used for that recipient.


I have never experienced this in the 4 years I have had an iPhone.

If the recipient is not available through iMessage for whatever reason (availability is checked almost instantaneously), then provided the SMS option is enabled as mentioned before then it will immediately opt to send as an SMS through your normal carrier.  Often I will see an iMessage sent to another iPhone start off as blue (indicating an iMessage) a split second later turn green (indicating an SMS).     




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  # 1018919 5-Apr-2014 10:50
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All settings are correct (send as SMS is turned on on all 3 phones).
My understanding is if it cannot send as an iMessage (in this case the receiving iPhone has it turned off) then it is sent as an SMS, which is what it should be doing to send to my wife's iPhone. It is nt doing this, messages are showing as delivered (in iMessage blue) on my iPhone yet my wife is not receiving them, turning iMessage off on my iPhone and resending does sends the SMS.
If I hold down the SMS on my iphone I can select "send as SMS" my the 3 options that appear (this is with iMessage on), but to me this isn't a fix for the problem.
If imessage is turned off on my iPhone, my mothers 4s (with iMessage turned on) has the same behaviour, it shows as delivered in blue on her phone but I do not receive it.
In both instances iMessage is not available on the receiving phone, and the sending message should be changed to an SMS, but it isn't.

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  # 1018927 5-Apr-2014 11:15
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Check your wife contact details on your iphone. It is possible that you are sending imessage to her apple id rather her mobile no. You can check this on the message itself then press contact then info. Whatever the highlighted blue color then that is where you sent you message. I suspect this is your wife apple id which is normally her email address.

Did experinced this with wife and we both debated on why not responding. Hehe

 
 
 
 




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  # 1018932 5-Apr-2014 11:38
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Thanks, tried the above and her mobile number is selected as the contact for iMessage.
Think I will have to get both phones in front of me this weekend at some point and have a good ol twiddle with them and see what happens. Does seem an odd problem, wonder if it's some change to the latest ios which has caused it to occur, as prior to now it's never happened :-|

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  # 1018949 5-Apr-2014 12:35
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Does your wife also have an iPad or Mac with iMessage turned on?

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  # 1019231 5-Apr-2014 22:30
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I too had this problem. I fixed it by changing their contact number to either +6427xxxxxx or 027xxxxxxx. Do the opposite of what you have your wife's number stored as. Ie if her number is stored as 027xxx change it to +6427xxx or vice versa.

If that makes sense. Fixed it for me instantly.

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  # 1019256 5-Apr-2014 23:19
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the iphone does not know the receipient imessage is no longer working.

delete the contact, recreate the contact and it will discover there is no imessage and send via sms.




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  # 1019258 5-Apr-2014 23:20
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or the above. basically they "created a new contact" by changing the prefix




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  # 1019342 6-Apr-2014 08:52
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Why does your wife have iMessage disabled? I can't think why you'd want to exclusively use SMS, but if that is indeed what she wants to do then maybe she needs to de-register her phone number from her Apple ID?



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  # 1019348 6-Apr-2014 09:03
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alasta: Why does your wife have iMessage disabled? I can't think why you'd want to exclusively use SMS, but if that is indeed what she wants to do then maybe she needs to de-register her phone number from her Apple ID?



She's tight and would rather use her free texts :-)



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  # 1019350 6-Apr-2014 09:15
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Will try the other options later this afternoon when she gets back from out of town.
Thanks for the suggestions, will update if I get it sorted. :-)

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