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#1058941 3-Jun-2014 22:37

I posted my thoughts in the other thread on the keynote. I like the changes here, for me they largely bring a lot of feature parity with Android - third party keyboards, apps being able to talk to each other, widgets - things that are valuable to my own use-case scenarios. They make the possibility of moving to an iOS device easier, providing there is a phablet-class one coming. They don't make the switch entirely painless though, there is still quite a lot of things only Android can do for me, so I'll have to wait until those new iPhones get announced...

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#1058954 3-Jun-2014 23:06

PhantomNVD:
Behodar: Wi-Fi Calling is for making calls over Wi-Fi, and requires operator support. I've forgotten what the "computer pairing" thing is called but I know what you're talking about there.

think the word they're using is "Continuity"

"Continuity also means that users will be able to start and receive phone calls and text messages on any device thanks to interoperability between an iPhone and other iOS or OS X machines. Yosemite users will get the ability to pick up calls from an iPhone on their Mac (using their Mac as a speakerphone); on both the Mac and iPad, iOS 8 and Yosemite will allow to start a phone call from devices that aren't actually phones -- it'll all work through an iPhone, whether it's nearby or charging in another room. Phone continuity will always work through your existing phone number and, according to Apple, there will be "nothing to set up".

also cool, but I'm after more info on local possibility of true wifi calling, th9ugh i think what they meant WAS "continuity"
"The same idea applies to text messages and MMS, which aren't part of iMessage and aren't stored in iCloud. With iOS 8 and Yosemite living together under the umbrella of Continuity, text conversations with friends who don't use an iPhone (as Federighi called them, "green bubble friends") will be available in the Messages app on all your devices; similarly, iPad and Mac users will be able to compose SMS and MMS and send them using an iPhone -- wirelessly -- thanks to Continuity"??

[url=] http://www.macstories.net/stories/ios-8-our-complete-overview-and-first-impressions/ [url]

Effectively, Continuity allows the iPad,Mac to be speakerphone for the iPhone, same functions applies to SMS.

The other feature of Continuity, is to be doing anything on one device, swipe and the whatever it is, is on another device, seamless. I do wonder about battery use with this very innovative function, 3 devices listening (I think they are listening). Hey Siri being listening. Coincidence they have a setting to capture battery use by app? A side effect of that is may give a clue for unexpected high usage

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#1058959 3-Jun-2014 23:15

tdgeek:
PhantomNVD:
Behodar: Wi-Fi Calling is for making calls over Wi-Fi, and requires operator support. I've forgotten what the "computer pairing" thing is called but I know what you're talking about there.

think the word they're using is "Continuity"

"Continuity also means that users will be able to start and receive phone calls and text messages on any device thanks to interoperability between an iPhone and other iOS or OS X machines. Yosemite users will get the ability to pick up calls from an iPhone on their Mac (using their Mac as a speakerphone); on both the Mac and iPad, iOS 8 and Yosemite will allow to start a phone call from devices that aren't actually phones -- it'll all work through an iPhone, whether it's nearby or charging in another room. Phone continuity will always work through your existing phone number and, according to Apple, there will be "nothing to set up".

also cool, but I'm after more info on local possibility of true wifi calling, th9ugh i think what they meant WAS "continuity"
"The same idea applies to text messages and MMS, which aren't part of iMessage and aren't stored in iCloud. With iOS 8 and Yosemite living together under the umbrella of Continuity, text conversations with friends who don't use an iPhone (as Federighi called them, "green bubble friends") will be available in the Messages app on all your devices; similarly, iPad and Mac users will be able to compose SMS and MMS and send them using an iPhone -- wirelessly -- thanks to Continuity"??

[url=] http://www.macstories.net/stories/ios-8-our-complete-overview-and-first-impressions/ [url]

Effectively, Continuity allows the iPad,Mac to be speakerphone for the iPhone, same functions applies to SMS.

The other feature of Continuity, is to be doing anything on one device, swipe and the whatever it is, is on another device, seamless. I do wonder about battery use with this very innovative function, 3 devices listening (I think they are listening). Hey Siri being listening. Coincidence they have a setting to capture battery use by app? A side effect of that is may give a clue for unexpected high usage

I believe the "Hey Siri" to only activated when connected to a power source though?

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#1058969 3-Jun-2014 23:30

PhantomNVD:

I believe the "Hey Siri" to only activated when connected to a power source though?

Ah, that rings a bell now actually. I think your right

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#1058972 3-Jun-2014 23:58

update from an actual user experience:

Using Voice Activiation

Once you're connected to a power source, just say "Hey, Siri". I was able to bring up Siri pretty easily on the first try. I can see myself using it when I charge my phone in the car and need to get directions, send a text message, or make a phone call without having to take my eyes off the road."

http://ios.wonderhowto.com/how-to/hey-siri-activate-siri-ios-8-without-lifting-finger-0155298/

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#1059140 4-Jun-2014 12:31

I think Apple’s way of handling extensibility in iOS8 is very sensible, and it’s probably taken them a long time to get it right. Assuming it works as advertised, it should bring all the benefits inter-app functionality promises whilst still keeping individual apps and the extensions sandboxed for security. I don’t think that can be underestimated

From that perspective Android can continue to be everything to all people, including the hackers and malware writers, whilst Apple’s walled garden just got a whole lot more liveable.

Continuity looks fantastic from a workflow perspective, handling calls via my Mac whilst working is great.

If I was a dev I'd be incredibly excited about the new dev kits AND a whole new language too. A pretty complete review at that, and the best part is they likely only announced half the changes, saving the rest for the next iPhone release too.

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#1059144 4-Jun-2014 12:51

PhantomNVD: found the blurb:

Wi-Fi Calling While this hasn’t been confirmed to be available [in Australia yet], Wi-Fi calling allows you to call anyone’s phone over Wi-Fi in areas where you don’t get phone service. In the USA, telco T-Mobile has had this for years and counts it as just using your plans included value. It can be handy overseas as well if plans are like T-Mobile’s, where there are no excess charges to call back home if done over Wi-Fi.

Isn't that what Skype does - allow calls over wifi.

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#1059151 4-Jun-2014 13:00

TwoSeven:
PhantomNVD: found the blurb:

Wi-Fi Calling While this hasn’t been confirmed to be available [in Australia yet], Wi-Fi calling allows you to call anyone’s phone over Wi-Fi in areas where you don’t get phone service. In the USA, telco T-Mobile has had this for years and counts it as just using your plans included value. It can be handy overseas as well if plans are like T-Mobile’s, where there are no excess charges to call back home if done over Wi-Fi.

Isn't that what Skype does - allow calls over wifi.

but skype won't answer calls made to your cellphone #.

I think this does. But, could be wrong.

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#1059153 4-Jun-2014 13:02

TwoSeven:
PhantomNVD: found the blurb:

Wi-Fi Calling While this hasn’t been confirmed to be available [in Australia yet], Wi-Fi calling allows you to call anyone’s phone over Wi-Fi in areas where you don’t get phone service. In the USA, telco T-Mobile has had this for years and counts it as just using your plans included value. It can be handy overseas as well if plans are like T-Mobile’s, where there are no excess charges to call back home if done over Wi-Fi.

Isn't that what Skype does - allow calls over wifi.

I could be wrong but my understanding is this is carrier implemented. So instead of opening up Skype and having a separate account etc you just ring someone as you would normally but if you are on wifi it doesn't use up your minutes or mobile data.

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#1059191 4-Jun-2014 14:16

I'm very seriously considering coming back to the iPhone now. If a larger 4.7" iPhone 6 does indeed come out, I'll be hard pressed to say no.

I've got a Macbook Air & iPad Mini, so the Continuity stuff really appeals to me and I'm liking where they seem to be heading.

Though there are still some pretty 'basic' things that tick me off about iOS. Like adding email attachments and not being able to browse/choose from other apps such as Dropbox. I guess if you commit to iCloud Drive then you wont encounter barriers like this.

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#1059239 4-Jun-2014 16:35

profrink: I'm very seriously considering coming back to the iPhone now. If a larger 4.7" iPhone 6 does indeed come out, I'll be hard pressed to say no.

I've got a Macbook Air & iPad Mini, so the Continuity stuff really appeals to me and I'm liking where they seem to be heading.

Though there are still some pretty 'basic' things that tick me off about iOS. Like adding email attachments and not being able to browse/choose from other apps such as Dropbox. I guess if you commit to iCloud Drive then you wont encounter barriers like this.

I don't think there is much doubt that there will be a larger iphone, from all the 'leaks'. But I don't think they will call it an iphone 6, I think it will be the iphone air. I think there will also be an iphone 6 in the same form factor, but with the same processor as the iphone air.

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#1059248 4-Jun-2014 17:15

sdav:
TwoSeven:
PhantomNVD: found the blurb:

Wi-Fi Calling While this hasn’t been confirmed to be available [in Australia yet], Wi-Fi calling allows you to call anyone’s phone over Wi-Fi in areas where you don’t get phone service. In the USA, telco T-Mobile has had this for years and counts it as just using your plans included value. It can be handy overseas as well if plans are like T-Mobile’s, where there are no excess charges to call back home if done over Wi-Fi.

Isn't that what Skype does - allow calls over wifi.

I could be wrong but my understanding is this is carrier implemented. So instead of opening up Skype and having a separate account etc you just ring someone as you would normally but if you are on wifi it doesn't use up your minutes or mobile data.

THIS... except it DOES use your plan minutes/data (though in US they mostly have unlimited minutes) and unlike Skype, "it just works like your phone would" i.e. they don't need a matching app to receive the call either

"Wi-Fi calling allows you to make and receive calls; access unlimited high-speed data; and send and receive messages over a wireless internet connection. Using Wi-Fi calling is easy! Simply connect to an available Wi-Fi network of your choice, confirm Wi-Fi calling is enabled on your phone, and continue to use all of your favorite device features!"

and their blurb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcy4-8oMh58

It's also a 1-up on VF's $5/day current promo, as it works from anywhere in the world you get wifi access, AS IF YOU WERE in your home country with excellent signal.

seems they use your SIM to Authenticate too....

AFAIK Apple's just playing catch-up to Android in this anyway, as they've had this for Android there for around 7 years(!)

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#1059250 4-Jun-2014 17:17

and deeper in the FAQ's

"

How are calls and messages over Wi-Fi Calling billed?

There is no additional monthly charge to use Wi-Fi calling. Wi-Fi calling uses monthly plan minutes for the following:

Calls made from the US to US numbers use plan minutes.
Calls made from the US to international numbers (subject to international rates)
Calls made from outside the US to US numbers (not charged roaming)
Calls made from outside the US to international numbers (subject to international rates, but not charged roaming)
Note: You must disable Data Roaming when traveling internationally to avoid incurring data roaming charges.

Calls

All incoming calls received over Wi-Fi Calling are $0.00.
Wi-Fi calls placed to the U.S. from anywhere are $0.00.
Wi-Fi calls placed to countries other than the U.S. are subject to Simple Global or International Long Distance Calling rates.

Messages

All text messages (SMS) and picture messages (MMS) received over Wi-Fi are $0.00.
SMS/MMS sent to the U.S. over Wi-Fi from anywhere are $0.00.
SMS/MMS sent to countries other than the U.S. over Wi-Fi Calling are $0.20."

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#1059258 4-Jun-2014 17:47

sdav:
TwoSeven:
PhantomNVD: found the blurb:

Wi-Fi Calling While this hasn’t been confirmed to be available [in Australia yet], Wi-Fi calling allows you to call anyone’s phone over Wi-Fi in areas where you don’t get phone service. In the USA, telco T-Mobile has had this for years and counts it as just using your plans included value. It can be handy overseas as well if plans are like T-Mobile’s, where there are no excess charges to call back home if done over Wi-Fi.

Isn't that what Skype does - allow calls over wifi.

I could be wrong but my understanding is this is carrier implemented. So instead of opening up Skype and having a separate account etc you just ring someone as you would normally but if you are on wifi it doesn't use up your minutes or mobile data.

Ahh, I see, so if one is on the Vodafone network and for some reason is out of coverage, all one needs to do is look for a Telecom phone box to get local wifi coverage :)

But then one can use Skype to landline/mobile/other Skype device/camera/integrated tv/etch-a-sketch anywhere in the world using Skype minutes

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#1059291 4-Jun-2014 18:56

TwoSeven:
sdav:
TwoSeven:
PhantomNVD: found the blurb:

Wi-Fi Calling While this hasn’t been confirmed to be available [in Australia yet], Wi-Fi calling allows you to call anyone’s phone over Wi-Fi in areas where you don’t get phone service. In the USA, telco T-Mobile has had this for years and counts it as just using your plans included value. It can be handy overseas as well if plans are like T-Mobile’s, where there are no excess charges to call back home if done over Wi-Fi.

Isn't that what Skype does - allow calls over wifi.

I could be wrong but my understanding is this is carrier implemented. So instead of opening up Skype and having a separate account etc you just ring someone as you would normally but if you are on wifi it doesn't use up your minutes or mobile data.

Ahh, I see, so if one is on the Vodafone network and for some reason is out of coverage, all one needs to do is look for a Telecom phone box to get local wifi coverage :)

But then one can use Skype to landline/mobile/other Skype device/camera/integrated tv/etch-a-sketch anywhere in the world using Skype minutes

LOL... though the telecom wifi wouldn't let you connect BUT

Skype DOESN'T use your own MOBILE number...

i.e. i live in a rural area and signal is very sketchy, BUT i'm on a 1MB/s "broadband" fs/fs unlimited plan and I WANT people who try to ring my phone to be able to reach me so (for e.g.) at home i want it to use my wifi to connect that caller to me.... it even offloads the cellular traffic for VF, AND they still charge the caller the same so where do they lose????

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