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  Reply # 1059494 5-Jun-2014 01:46
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PhantomNVD: found the blurb:

Wi-Fi Calling While this hasn’t been confirmed to be available [in Australia yet], Wi-Fi calling allows you to call anyone’s phone over Wi-Fi in areas where you don’t get phone service. In the USA, telco T-Mobile has had this for years and counts it as just using your plans included value. It can be handy overseas as well if plans are like T-Mobile’s, where there are no excess charges to call back home if done over Wi-Fi.


Isn't that what Skype does - allow calls over wifi.






I could be wrong but my understanding is this is carrier implemented. So instead of opening up Skype and having a separate account etc you just ring someone as you would normally but if you are on wifi it doesn't use up your minutes or mobile data.


THIS... except it DOES use your plan minutes/data (though in US they mostly have unlimited minutes) and unlike Skype, "it just works like your phone would" i.e. they don't need a matching app to receive the call either

"Wi-Fi calling allows you to make and receive calls; access unlimited high-speed data; and send and receive messages over a wireless internet connection. Using Wi-Fi calling is easy! Simply connect to an available Wi-Fi network of your choice, confirm Wi-Fi calling is enabled on your phone, and continue to use all of your favorite device features!"

and their blurb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcy4-8oMh58 

It's also a 1-up on VF's $5/day current promo, as it works from anywhere in the world you get wifi access, AS IF YOU WERE in your home country with excellent signal.

seems they use your SIM to Authenticate too....


AFAIK Apple's just playing catch-up to Android in this anyway, as they've had this for Android there for around 7 years(!)



Cool thanks for the clarification.

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  Reply # 1059782 5-Jun-2014 13:09
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PhantomNVD:

AFAIK Apple's just playing catch-up to Android in this anyway, as they've had this for Android there for around 7 years(!)


I've just been reading about it a bit, looks like T-Mobile (US) and Rogers (Canada) have announced carrier support for this. Looks like T-Mobile already had it embedded into their custom Android ROMs and also have an iPhone app.

 

If this has been a stock Android feature for 7+ years then that is very interesting.

 

Would be cool to see more about how it works, my guess so far is some kind of proprietary Apple backend setup integrated with carrier, like Apple Visual Voicemail.




 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1059799 5-Jun-2014 13:32
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PhantomNVD:

AFAIK Apple's just playing catch-up to Android in this anyway, as they've had this for Android there for around 7 years(!)


I've just been reading about it a bit, looks like T-Mobile (US) and Rogers (Canada) have announced carrier support for this. Looks like T-Mobile already had it embedded into their custom Android ROMs and also have an iPhone app. If this has been a stock Android feature for 7+ years then that is very interesting. Would be cool to see more about how it works, my guess so far is some kind of proprietary Apple backend setup integrated with carrier, like Apple Visual Voicemail.



so VF could do this and/but it might cost 'too much' in time or hardware to be a valid point of difference?

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  Reply # 1059820 5-Jun-2014 14:01
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PhantomNVD:
KieranReid:
PhantomNVD:

AFAIK Apple's just playing catch-up to Android in this anyway, as they've had this for Android there for around 7 years(!)


I've just been reading about it a bit, looks like T-Mobile (US) and Rogers (Canada) have announced carrier support for this. Looks like T-Mobile already had it embedded into their custom Android ROMs and also have an iPhone app. If this has been a stock Android feature for 7+ years then that is very interesting. Would be cool to see more about how it works, my guess so far is some kind of proprietary Apple backend setup integrated with carrier, like Apple Visual Voicemail.



so VF could do this and/but it might cost 'too much' in time or hardware to be a valid point of difference?


Haha!

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  Reply # 1059838 5-Jun-2014 14:27
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Don't know any more than you guys sorry




 


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  Reply # 1059909 5-Jun-2014 17:01
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Chances are high that if they haven't done Visual Voicemail by now, they won't be doing WiFi Calling.

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  Reply # 1060243 6-Jun-2014 09:15
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The most annoying problem which continuity doesnt seem to solve is multiple Apple devices receiving the same notifcation at the same time. 3 x star trek communicator sound at the same time every time gets trying...

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  Reply # 1060375 6-Jun-2014 13:28
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PhantomNVD:
TwoSeven:
sdav:
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PhantomNVD: found the blurb:

Wi-Fi Calling While this hasn’t been confirmed to be available [in Australia yet], Wi-Fi calling allows you to call anyone’s phone over Wi-Fi in areas where you don’t get phone service. In the USA, telco T-Mobile has had this for years and counts it as just using your plans included value. It can be handy overseas as well if plans are like T-Mobile’s, where there are no excess charges to call back home if done over Wi-Fi.


Isn't that what Skype does - allow calls over wifi.






I could be wrong but my understanding is this is carrier implemented. So instead of opening up Skype and having a separate account etc you just ring someone as you would normally but if you are on wifi it doesn't use up your minutes or mobile data.


Ahh, I see, so if one is on the Vodafone network and for some reason is out of coverage, all one needs to do is look for a Telecom phone box to get local wifi coverage :)

But then one can use Skype to landline/mobile/other Skype device/camera/integrated tv/etch-a-sketch anywhere in the world using Skype minutes




LOL... though the telecom wifi wouldn't let you connect BUT

Skype DOESN'T use your own MOBILE number...

i.e. i live in a rural area and signal is very sketchy, BUT i'm on a 1MB/s "broadband" fs/fs unlimited plan and I WANT people who try to ring my phone to be able to reach me so (for e.g.) at home i want it to use my wifi to connect that caller to me.... it even offloads the cellular traffic for VF, AND they still charge the caller the same so where do they lose????


Out of interest one can forward Skype calls to a mobile or landline (it does use Skype minutes though),  and I think someone else might have mentioned something about multiple devices ringing at the same time - there are a few Skype commands that can help with this.  /ShowPlaces will show you where you are logged in and /remotelogout will I think logout other devices.  I cant remember if there was a command to disable the ringing sound on other devices.






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  Reply # 1060543 6-Jun-2014 20:36
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gehenna: Chances are high that if they haven't done Visual Voicemail by now, they won't be doing WiFi Calling.


but if android supports this (it wasnt on my android 2.2 devices) then it will benifit a larger chunk of their customers, bonus points if windows phone supports this too!

i wonder why i'm only just hearing about this now, this sounds pretty revolutionary to me.

also, could the carrirers then use this very same feature to enable voice over lte at no extra cost? just replace wifi with the LTE, i mean they're both internet connections.






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  Reply # 1060577 6-Jun-2014 21:36
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^I dunno.  It's always seemed weird to me that Voda Au has had this feature for years and we don't even get a look in.

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  Reply # 1061715 9-Jun-2014 11:58
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mattwnz: What I find somewhat amazing, is that the ipad 2 and iphone 4s will get the update. That is 3+ years of ios support. Don't think any android manufacturer supports phones for that long. My samsung s3, samsung have apparently stopping providing android updates and mine is only about a year and a half old, and they still sell it. 


Well they only recently stopped selling the ipad 2 and are still selling the iphone 4s

I do however think ios8 will probably be the last major update for these devices

They both started at like ios 5 ? and are now at ios 8

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mattwnz: What I find somewhat amazing, is that the ipad 2 and iphone 4s will get the update. That is 3+ years of ios support. Don't think any android manufacturer supports phones for that long. My samsung s3, samsung have apparently stopping providing android updates and mine is only about a year and a half old, and they still sell it. 


Well they only recently stopped selling the ipad 2 and are still selling the iphone 4s

I do however think ios8 will probably be the last major update for these devices

They both started at like ios 5 ? and are now at ios 8


unless ios9 cant run on it why would they not offer an update?

as long as it doesnt slow the device down i see no reason why not.





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  Reply # 1062029 9-Jun-2014 18:01
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unless ios9 cant run on it why would they not offer an update?

as long as it doesnt slow the device down i see no reason why not.


Because traditionally they have excluded older models from updates or features in an attempt to force the user into upgrading to a newer device.  Seems they're stopping that kind of activity with this round of updates.

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  Reply # 1062030 9-Jun-2014 18:02
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gehenna:
hamish225:

unless ios9 cant run on it why would they not offer an update?

as long as it doesnt slow the device down i see no reason why not.


Because traditionally they have excluded older models from updates or features in an attempt to force the user into upgrading to a newer device.  Seems they're stopping that kind of activity with this round of updates.


good, if they continue to operate this way and support devices for longer than google does that'll make them better than android in another way :P





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  Reply # 1062051 9-Jun-2014 18:28
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Yabanize:
mattwnz: What I find somewhat amazing, is that the ipad 2 and iphone 4s will get the update. That is 3+ years of ios support. Don't think any android manufacturer supports phones for that long. My samsung s3, samsung have apparently stopping providing android updates and mine is only about a year and a half old, and they still sell it. 


Well they only recently stopped selling the ipad 2 and are still selling the iphone 4s

I do however think ios8 will probably be the last major update for these devices

They both started at like ios 5 ? and are now at ios 8


Apple were still selling the ipod 4th gen when they cease iOS support for it.

The ipad 2 started with ios 4, so it gets 4 big updates. Most devices only seem to get 2 or 3

I wonder if apple will eventually release siri onto the ipad 2, as theoretically it can support it, as it largely has the same hardware as the mini. Apple have released previously unreleased features on old models before in their final iOS release.

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