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  # 1107423 13-Aug-2014 08:18
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So as the excitement mounts, have any of the telco's shown much interest in supporting the forthcoming IOS8's Wifi calling?

this would be a key feature worth switching for IMO!

What about the newer hardware... any sign of a release date yet?

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  # 1107441 13-Aug-2014 08:35
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jonherries: The most annoying problem which continuity doesnt seem to solve is multiple Apple devices receiving the same notifcation at the same time. 3 x star trek communicator sound at the same time every time gets trying...

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So turn off iMessage on some of the devices...




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  # 1107919 13-Aug-2014 20:06
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Dynamic:
jonherries: The most annoying problem which continuity doesnt seem to solve is multiple Apple devices receiving the same notifcation at the same time. 3 x star trek communicator sound at the same time every time gets trying...

Jon

So turn off iMessage on some of the devices...


with their new 'link' between iPads and iPhones, d'you think they'll ring ALL the devices, or be smart enough to ping the last-used/currently-using one?

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  # 1108063 14-Aug-2014 07:03
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Dynamic:
jonherries: The most annoying problem which continuity doesnt seem to solve is multiple Apple devices receiving the same notifcation at the same time. 3 x star trek communicator sound at the same time every time gets trying...

Jon

So turn off iMessage on some of the devices...


with their new 'link' between iPads and iPhones, d'you think they'll ring ALL the devices, or be smart enough to ping the last-used/currently-using one?


No. That will end up with many "but I was really using that one" Too hard to know. If you also use an iPad, but are not using it, and keep it on, mute the sound is my recommendation.

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  # 1108078 14-Aug-2014 07:55
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PhantomNVD:
Dynamic:
jonherries: The most annoying problem which continuity doesnt seem to solve is multiple Apple devices receiving the same notifcation at the same time. 3 x star trek communicator sound at the same time every time gets trying...

Jon

So turn off iMessage on some of the devices...


with their new 'link' between iPads and iPhones, d'you think they'll ring ALL the devices, or be smart enough to ping the last-used/currently-using one?


No. That will end up with many "but I was really using that one" Too hard to know. If you also use an iPad, but are not using it, and keep it on, mute the sound is my recommendation.


From what I've experienced, if you're actively replying to an iMessage on one device, other devices won't receive an alert. But if you don't reply after a minute or so, all your other devices will notify you with a message alert.

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tdgeek:
PhantomNVD:
Dynamic:
jonherries: The most annoying problem which continuity doesnt seem to solve is multiple Apple devices receiving the same notifcation at the same time. 3 x star trek communicator sound at the same time every time gets trying...

Jon

So turn off iMessage on some of the devices...


with their new 'link' between iPads and iPhones, d'you think they'll ring ALL the devices, or be smart enough to ping the last-used/currently-using one?


No. That will end up with many "but I was really using that one" Too hard to know. If you also use an iPad, but are not using it, and keep it on, mute the sound is my recommendation.


From what I've experienced, if you're actively replying to an iMessage on one device, other devices won't receive an alert. But if you don't reply after a minute or so, all your other devices will notify you with a message alert.


Ok, not noticed that. My iPad Air is always on, if I get an iMessage on my 5S, the Air will beep very soon after. Having said that, Ive not noticed it lately, or not as often.
When they start getting texts, the issue, if any, will increase.

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  # 1108291 14-Aug-2014 12:32
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SMS is a dead end technology so syncing this between devices is of little use to me. Syncing phone calls between devices is a great idea in theory, but instinct tells me that it will be another one of Apple's great ideas that fails to work in practice due to the temperamental nature of cross communication between devices. Wireless iTunes syncing, iMessage, and Photostream are good examples of this.

 
 
 
 


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alasta: SMS is a dead end technology so syncing this between devices is of little use to me. Syncing phone calls between devices is a great idea in theory, but instinct tells me that it will be another one of Apple's great ideas that fails to work in practice due to the temperamental nature of cross communication between devices. Wireless iTunes syncing, iMessage, and Photostream are good examples of this.


Dead end technology? Seems pretty popular to me. My Apple devices only allow Apple to Apple messaging in terms of iMessage. Most of my comntacts are non Apple, they text. For my 5S, iPad Air, rMBP all to be able to call, iMessage, Text will bring all my comms together. I like that.

I agree re iMessage cross communication. Often, they all get iMessages within seconds, other times its delayed. I sometimes have to ask myself, is iMessage not working on the Air? Later on, bing, its up to date. That needs improving. At least a refresh or bring up to date button

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  # 1108341 14-Aug-2014 12:53
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alasta: SMS is a dead end technology so syncing this between devices is of little use to me. Syncing phone calls between devices is a great idea in theory, but instinct tells me that it will be another one of Apple's great ideas that fails to work in practice due to the temperamental nature of cross communication between devices. Wireless iTunes syncing, iMessage, and Photostream are good examples of this.


Dead end technology? Seems pretty popular to me. My Apple devices only allow Apple to Apple messaging in terms of iMessage. Most of my comntacts are non Apple, they text. For my 5S, iPad Air, rMBP all to be able to call, iMessage, Text will bring all my comms together. I like that.


I have asked all my contacts to use iMessage, Facebook or email. That gives them enough options, unless they're still stuck in the 1990s in which case they're free to post a letter to me if they prefer. SMS is simply too unreliable and not necessary now that there are better alternatives.

The modern IP based solutions work naturally across multiple devices, whereas having SMS delivered to one single device and then routing it to other devices is a clumsy workaround solution.

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alasta:
tdgeek:
alasta: SMS is a dead end technology so syncing this between devices is of little use to me. Syncing phone calls between devices is a great idea in theory, but instinct tells me that it will be another one of Apple's great ideas that fails to work in practice due to the temperamental nature of cross communication between devices. Wireless iTunes syncing, iMessage, and Photostream are good examples of this.


Dead end technology? Seems pretty popular to me. My Apple devices only allow Apple to Apple messaging in terms of iMessage. Most of my comntacts are non Apple, they text. For my 5S, iPad Air, rMBP all to be able to call, iMessage, Text will bring all my comms together. I like that.


I have asked all my contacts to use iMessage, Facebook or email. That gives them enough options, unless they're still stuck in the 1990s in which case they're free to post a letter to me if they prefer. SMS is simply too unreliable and not necessary now that there are better alternatives.

The modern IP based solutions work naturally across multiple devices, whereas having SMS delivered to one single device and then routing it to other devices is a clumsy workaround solution.


iMessage    Not every one uses Apple, the vast majority don't

Facebook    Im not a Facebook fiend, keep off it as much as possible

Email          Clumsy way to Instant Message

I've not found issues with SMS reliability.


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  # 1108373 14-Aug-2014 13:22
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tdgeek:
alasta:
tdgeek:
alasta: SMS is a dead end technology so syncing this between devices is of little use to me. Syncing phone calls between devices is a great idea in theory, but instinct tells me that it will be another one of Apple's great ideas that fails to work in practice due to the temperamental nature of cross communication between devices. Wireless iTunes syncing, iMessage, and Photostream are good examples of this.


Dead end technology? Seems pretty popular to me. My Apple devices only allow Apple to Apple messaging in terms of iMessage. Most of my comntacts are non Apple, they text. For my 5S, iPad Air, rMBP all to be able to call, iMessage, Text will bring all my comms together. I like that.


I have asked all my contacts to use iMessage, Facebook or email. That gives them enough options, unless they're still stuck in the 1990s in which case they're free to post a letter to me if they prefer. SMS is simply too unreliable and not necessary now that there are better alternatives.

The modern IP based solutions work naturally across multiple devices, whereas having SMS delivered to one single device and then routing it to other devices is a clumsy workaround solution.


iMessage    Not every one uses Apple, the vast majority don't

Facebook    Im not a Facebook fiend, keep off it as much as possible

Email          Clumsy way to Instant Message

I've not found issues with SMS reliability.



Agreed.  Saying SMS is a dead end technology is absurd.

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The modern IP based solutions work naturally across multiple devices, whereas having SMS delivered to one single device and then routing it to other devices is a clumsy workaround solution.


I think that is a great idea. Workaround solution? To what?  Its merely allowing your devices that each have limited functions to have a catch all of the calling, SMS, iMessage functions. And the implementation is rather simple so I expect it to be reliable, it merely treats the other devices as speaker/microphones  (iPad cannot telco voice call, telco text,  Macs cannot telco voice call, telco text, they only recently got iMessage) Now, all of the devices can do all comms functions.

Its about integration, this, and Continuity, Extensability, Handover is where its going, I am all for it. Youi can think of Apple as one device, and you can flip to any of the physical devices as youi wish, whether that be comms or work or other.  iOS and OSX are far more important than the next slightly incremental iPhone/iPad.   

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  # 1108405 14-Aug-2014 14:06
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alasta:

The modern IP based solutions work naturally across multiple devices, whereas having SMS delivered to one single device and then routing it to other devices is a clumsy workaround solution.


I think that is a great idea. Workaround solution? To what?


It's a workaround to the fact that SMS was only designed to be delivered to one device. Just like how telcos have built interfaces as a workaround to it only being conceived to send messages to phones on the same telco, and how stringing messages together is a workaround for the fact that it's only designed to handle 160 characters, and how MMS is a workaround for it only being designed for text content. 

I personally can't be bothered dealing with "didn't you get my message" when I fail to receive SMS messages, so if people can't phone/iMessage/Facebook/Email then they need to just lick a stamp and contact me the old fashioned way.

Its merely allowing your devices that each have limited functions to have a catch all of the calling, SMS, iMessage functions. And the implementation is rather simple so I expect it to be reliable, it merely treats the other devices as speaker/microphones  (iPad cannot telco voice call, telco text,  Macs cannot telco voice call, telco text, they only recently got iMessage) Now, all of the devices can do all comms functions. 

Its about integration, this, and Continuity, Extensability, Handover is where its going, I am all for it. Youi can think of Apple as one device, and you can flip to any of the physical devices as youi wish, whether that be comms or work or other.


Oh, I completely agree in principle but history shows that Apple - and probably other computer manufacturers - have never been able to get this sort of stuff to be simple or reliable in practice. Anything that involves computers synchronising with each other seems to be plagued with problems, and the computer industry needs to sort out the poor quality and reliability of their core product rather than adding more and more features that simply don't work.

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tdgeek:
alasta:
tdgeek:
alasta: SMS is a dead end technology so syncing this between devices is of little use to me. Syncing phone calls between devices is a great idea in theory, but instinct tells me that it will be another one of Apple's great ideas that fails to work in practice due to the temperamental nature of cross communication between devices. Wireless iTunes syncing, iMessage, and Photostream are good examples of this.


Dead end technology? Seems pretty popular to me. My Apple devices only allow Apple to Apple messaging in terms of iMessage. Most of my comntacts are non Apple, they text. For my 5S, iPad Air, rMBP all to be able to call, iMessage, Text will bring all my comms together. I like that.


I have asked all my contacts to use iMessage, Facebook or email. That gives them enough options, unless they're still stuck in the 1990s in which case they're free to post a letter to me if they prefer. SMS is simply too unreliable and not necessary now that there are better alternatives.

The modern IP based solutions work naturally across multiple devices, whereas having SMS delivered to one single device and then routing it to other devices is a clumsy workaround solution.


iMessage    Not every one uses Apple, the vast majority don't

Facebook    Im not a Facebook fiend, keep off it as much as possible

Email          Clumsy way to Instant Message

I've not found issues with SMS reliability.



Agreed.  Saying SMS is a dead end technology is absurd.


Following on from this, I wonder how many teens/pre-teens have basic mobile phones with a minimal voice allowance and "a million text" allowance solely for SMSing their friends?  Although the data use for sending messages via similar means is small, a data allowance still needs to be paid for when all those texts are normally included and don't cost extra.

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Home automation API -- early days yet, but apple has the market power to make a common standard. 



Except that Apple never do that. They always make their own proprietary standard, that will only work with Apple kit. They only use open standards when they absolutely HAVE to, and they prefer to use their own and lock you into their platform.




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