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  Reply # 1146171 2-Oct-2014 23:52
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tehgerbil: Apple revoke media accreditations to company who show #bendgate by bending an iPhone6+ seriously you CANNOT take ANY review of iPhone seriously when they go out their way to affect the outcome of reviews by actually refusing to deal with media companies who provide honest consumer reviews.


I'm pretty sure bending a phone/device in your hands on purpose is outside the normal use case for the device and voids the warranty.  Its not what the device was intended for, so its not really news.  Any 'media' doing 'tests' are just fishing for ad clicks and impressions, and deserve what they get.

If it was breaking in normal use, in someones pocket, that would be a good review and worthy of media attention.  But grabbing a phone and breaking it in half with your hands is hardly normal use.



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  Reply # 1146178 3-Oct-2014 00:10
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Think you are missing the point, it not a muscle man or huge guy bending it, just a couple of weak kids. The 6+ is flexing like crazy, really isn't good enough.

Sure I expected it to be not as strong as my aged iPhone 4, seen to much that suggests that it really is a flimsy unit.

Normal use is going to need to take some abuse, as no one can be perfect when taking a phone everywhere they go.

Stupid bending it like that, yea for sure and that isn't normal use. Although there will be times over owning the unit where it will be under pressure during its life time when used daily.

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  Reply # 1146180 3-Oct-2014 00:17
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good. iphone 6s in march then. all the better :D

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  Reply # 1148194 6-Oct-2014 13:24
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I find it really odd that nobody did this to the HTC One when it came out considering it has a similar aluminium construction and (I just looked at a mate's one) a possible weak point near the volume rocker. Anybody got a spare One lying around so we can try this idiotic bend test for comparison and The Lulz™?




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  Reply # 1148327 6-Oct-2014 16:12
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Demeter: I find it really odd that nobody did this to the HTC One when it came out considering it has a similar aluminium construction and (I just looked at a mate's one) a possible weak point near the volume rocker. Anybody got a spare One lying around so we can try this idiotic bend test for comparison and The Lulz™?

There was, just there isn't that many HTC haters to jump on the band wagon!

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  Reply # 1148348 6-Oct-2014 16:30
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I like the stance of T-Mobile's CEO - 

http://www.imore.com/john-legere-goes-uncensored-bendgate-iliad-and-acquisition-rumors

The whole video is quite hilarious actually, refreshingly blunt on many points. 

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  Reply # 1148499 6-Oct-2014 19:05
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Got my 6+ today, not worried about bending.

Only worry I have is fools having look/feel of new phone, with them testing for flex without thinking about it, due to the bad press.

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  Reply # 1148505 6-Oct-2014 19:10
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I just watched the whole thing, really quite funny.

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Demeter: I find it really odd that nobody did this to the HTC One when it came out considering it has a similar aluminium construction and (I just looked at a mate's one) a possible weak point near the volume rocker. Anybody got a spare One lying around so we can try this idiotic bend test for comparison and The Lulz™?


Consumer reports did a comparitive study (mentioned in another iPhone buying thread) and found them comparable to all other recently released phones:



Http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/09/consumer-reports-tests-iphone-6-bendgate/index.htm

The results
All the phones we tested showed themselves to be pretty tough. The iPhone 6 Plus, the more robust of the new iPhones in our testing, started to deform when we reached 90 pounds of force, and came apart with 110 pounds of force. With those numbers, it slightly outperformed the HTC One (which is largely really garded as a sturdy, solid phone), as well as the smaller iPhone 6, yet underperformed some other smart phones.

Throughout most of our test, the LG G3 and Samsung Galaxy Note 3 bent, then recovered completely from each step up in force. But at 130 pounds, the case of the G3 fractured. At 150 pounds of force, the Note 3's screen splintered and it stopped working.

Impressively, despite some serious damage from our Instron machine, some of the phones continued to work. Several of the screens illuminated and were functional to the touch; we even completed a call from one phone to another.

Below you can see the pictures of the smart phone carnage, but bear in mind that it took significant force to do this kind of damage to all these phones. While nothing is (evidently) indestructible, we expect that any of these phones should stand up to typical use.

Results of Consumer Reports smart phone bend test
Deformation
Case separation
HTC One (M8) 70 pounds 90 pounds
Apple iPhone 6 70 pounds 100 pounds
Apple iPhone 6 Plus 90 pounds 110 pounds
LG G3 130 pounds 130 pounds
Apple iPhone 5 130 pounds 150 pounds
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 150 pounds 150 pounds

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  Reply # 1148848 7-Oct-2014 07:50
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A5X: Got my 6+ today, not worried about bending.

Only worry I have is fools having look/feel of new phone, with them testing for flex without thinking about it, due to the bad press.


You're so right, that's probably happening all the time to new iPhone owners. I reckon if you slap them you could get away with claiming it was reflex.




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  Reply # 1148901 7-Oct-2014 09:08
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This whole "issue" as been blown out of proportion to the nth degree.

Millions of these devices are in consumers hands. Even if this happened through normal use to 1% of them, there would be tens of thousands of reports of the problem - which is not the case.

Like everyone else, when I first read the reports I was concerned. Then I watched a couple of the videos and saw the force that it was taking people to intentionally bend these things... and honestly they are a lot tougher than I would have expected. In fact after seeing what it actually takes to bend one I would be less worried about the phones fragility now than I was before this whole saga begun.




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Paul1977: This whole "issue" as been blown out of proportion to the nth degree.

Millions of these devices are in consumers hands. Even if this happened through normal use to 1% of them, there would be tens of thousands of reports of the problem - which is not the case.

Like everyone else, when I first read the reports I was concerned. Then I watched a couple of the videos and saw the force that it was taking people to intentionally bend these things... and honestly they are a lot tougher than I would have expected. In fact after seeing what it actually takes to bend one I would be less worried about the phones fragility now than I was before this whole saga begun.


Yes, but the issue is it's not a massive bend, there are plenty of people who have a slight bend in their phone already, with no unusual circumstance, just Jo Bloggs who's used their phone for 3 weeks in their pocket, reads the news report and lo and behold there's a small (almost imperceptible but certainly there) bend in their phone. 

For a $1200 device I would be pissed and frankly it would annoy the heck out of me.

You can say the tests confirm the iPhone6+ doesn't bend in a perfect environment, but ultimately the real test is someone using it real world for a month and that's why Apple do field testing, and either they didn't come across the perfect scenario which causes this bending, or they accepted it as a risk when they went live with the design.

Either way, a company with a perceived reputation such as Apples would have known the impact that having any bend on their device will cause irritation with the devices, and frankly for a company which normally excels in design and execution perfection this is a let down. Even for Apple, such a sacrifice for form over function is simply a let down.



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  Reply # 1149069 7-Oct-2014 12:20
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tehgerbil:there are plenty of people who have a slight bend in their phone already, with no unusual circumstance


How many is plenty?




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tehgerbil: http://www.oneofthenine.com/

Here's 50...


A lot of those are from in Apple stores, where I'm sure heaps of a-holes have gone in and bent them on purpose. Maybe other peoples idea of "normal usage" differs from mine.

Tests have certainly shown that they are not as strong as the iPhone 5 or Samsung Note 3, but actual controlled tests show how much force is required to bend them - and it's certainly more than force than I would apply to a phone in normal usage.

And I just think if this was really a widespread common problem it would still be all over the news. I just looked at the Google News iPhone section, and of the 20 stories on the first page the only one about bending (at number 15 in the list) is just a fluff piece telling people not to try intentionally bending their phone just to see how hard it is.

I call shenanigans.




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