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Topic # 157484 2-Dec-2014 17:49
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I'm hoping someone can help with a solution to this problem..?

I am trying to set up multiple Apple TVs to stream movies from an iTunes movie server, as well as allow Airplay connections.  The problem, I think,  is that each Apple TV is on a different network.  They're connected with Ethernet.  I have attached a carefully drawn diagram of how it is setup currently.



The second wireless network exists to serve a room which the main network can't reach very well, due to distance and thickness of walls.  If I'm Airplaying to the TV in that room (or connecting to the internet) I need to connect to the secondary wireless network.

Currently Apple TV (a) works just fine.  It can stream the iTunes movies and, when an iPad (etc) is connected to the main wireless network, it can Airplay.  However, if I connect an iPad to the secondary wireless network it cannot Airplay to Apple TV (a) - not a big deal I guess.

Apple TV (b) cannot see the iTunes movies.  It just tells me to turn on Home Sharing.  I can Airplay to it if my iPad is connected to the secondary wireless network, but not if it's connected to the main network.

I have a 3rd Apple TV to add in, but not until I sort out the first two!

All devices are using the same Apple ID.

I wondered if adding in a switch like this one between the main and secondary wireless networks would help, with the Apple TV (b) connected to the switch?  But I don't think that would help the Airplay issue?

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  Reply # 1187276 2-Dec-2014 17:59
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Set your secondary router to bridge mode, rather than having NAT turned on, so that this is not a separate subnet. That should get everything working as it should.

If you can advise details of that router, then someone here can probably walk you through the exact config.



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  Reply # 1187305 2-Dec-2014 18:15
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Thanks! - It's a Belkin N600  (F9K1102v1)

I haven't had much success with that kind of setup in the past (working one day, not the next) but that's probably been operator error.  As a sidenote, how does a wireless device know which router to connect to?  In theory I think it's meant to pick the one with the strongest signal, but in practise it always seems to sit there struggling on the weak signal after you've moved to another area...



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  Reply # 1187317 2-Dec-2014 18:46
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Don't have personal experience with the N600 sorry, so can't help much there.

As for the WiFi, different devices have different ways of determining which network to connect to. You can have multiple WiFi access points on one subnet though, and devices *should* then move between them transparently. Once they are on the same subnet, then make sure they broadcast the same network name (SSID), and use the same encryption and password. They should use different channels (preferably at least 5 apart).



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  Reply # 1188005 3-Dec-2014 14:51
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I can't see a reference to Bridge mode or NAT - would putting it in Access Point mode do the same thing?  Or is that only for wireless connections rather than ethernet?


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  Reply # 1188068 3-Dec-2014 16:01
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That should do it



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  Reply # 1191720 8-Dec-2014 17:44
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Thanks for the suggestion, it doesn't seem to have solved the problem unfortunately.

The secondary router is now operating as an access point, with the same SSID and password, and a different channel.  Internet is working with each.  If I have my iPad beside the main router it will only Airplay to ATV (a).  If I take it to the secondary router it will only Airplay to ATV (b).  No matter what, the ATV (b) won't allow Home Sharing from the iTunes movie server (YouTube etc work fine).

It could be this Belkin pig of a router, which sometimes lets me in to it and sometimes just hangs forever.

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  Reply # 1191740 8-Dec-2014 18:03
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Hi Rhinosaur,

I'm guessing your secondary router has a "WAN and a "LAN" port. or a Port labeled "Internet".
Take the ethernet connection from your Primary router which is running to your secondary router and plug it into a regular LAN port as opposed to the INTERNET port.
This will bridge your 2 networks.

This will create a problem for you, as you will now have 2 x DHCP servers. Ensure you disable the DHCP server on your second router.
You will also want to change the LAN ip address of your secondary router to something accessible in the same range as your primary router... for example if the address of your primary router is: 192.168.1.1 set the address of your secondary router to: 192.168.1.254. (this should keep you clear of the DHCP range).

Hope this helps and doesn't confuse things more.

 

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  Reply # 1191741 8-Dec-2014 18:04
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Can you check the IP address being assigned at each site in the house to make sure they are in the same subnet

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  Reply # 1191778 8-Dec-2014 20:21
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I have 3 Apple TVs, using Airport Extreme as the main router, and Airport Express as the extender. Both use same SSIDs. All Apple TVs are visible at anywhere via either of the two APs.

Definitely check your SSID and the IP address on each devices and the distributing DHCP (for IP distribution).




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  Reply # 1192281 9-Dec-2014 16:03
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Thank you guys very much for running me through this.

The main router is at 192.168.1.254, so I have now set the secondary to 192.168.1.253. 
The SSID is the same on each, same passkey, different channels. 
The cable from the main router is plugged into a LAN port on the secondary router (no longer the "internet" port).
I have disabled the DHCP server on the secondary router, and put it into Access Point mode.

I can now Airplay either of the two currently connected ATVs from anywhere, cool!  But still, the ATV (b) (connected to the secondary router via ethernet) cannot see the iTunes movie server - still the same "turn on Home Sharing" message.  The Apple IDs are definitely set the same.

When I get into the main router and have a look at the detected devices I can't see the secondary router - I'm not sure if I'm meant to be able to or not.  But I can see anything connected to it, including the Apple TV (b) via ethernet, and they are all 192.168.1.xxx.

Seriously the Belkin (secondary) router..... I can sometimes get into it, but mostly not.  Before today's changes it would usually just hang, but now it's mostly giving me a 404.


Chiefie, I was wondering if I should ditch the Belkin in favour of an Airport Express... Does it allow for ethernet connections, or is it wireless only?

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  Reply # 1192282 9-Dec-2014 16:07
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Rhinosaur: Chiefie, I was wondering if I should ditch the Belkin in favour of an Airport Express... Does it allow for ethernet connections, or is it wireless only?


The Airport Express has a WAN and LAN port. It's a neat unit which has Audio/Optical out too, as it is an Airplay audio endpoint.




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  Reply # 1194911 10-Dec-2014 14:26
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OK I'm on the verge of giving up on the Belkin and getting an Airport Express.

Is there anything else I should try first, keeping in mind it'll probably be junked anyway?  Custom firmware?



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  Reply # 1214958 14-Jan-2015 17:15
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Well, the Airport Express arrived and I have installed it in place of the secondary/Belkin router.  I have also setup a 3rd Apple TV.  All previous problems are now gone!  Man, this thing just works.

Thanks very much for your help and suggestions.

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  Reply # 1214963 14-Jan-2015 17:26
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I've found Airport express and extreme hardware to be incredibly reliable, but not very configurable. Having said that, if you save the settings from Airport Utility it generates an XML file, so it may be possible to edit that directly for some settings - getting OT now though!



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  Reply # 1214977 14-Jan-2015 17:31
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While we're OT... does anyone know if the Airport Extreme can be used with VoIP (WxC)?

Edit:  Found a picture of the back and there's no phone jack of course, so I guess that answers that.

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