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  # 1352321 27-Jul-2015 09:46
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sdavisnz: Ios is a mobile platform,

android is a mobile platform,

windows 10 mobile will really be the only beacon in terms of networking things together.

if you want to print on an ios device, buy an airprint printer
if you want to print on droid, buy a google cloud print printer

if you want to network your devices, use a computer.


Plus 1.  I use and like Apple, and they are expanding the interopability, but your right, a Windows thingie works with any thingie pretty much. And while I love Apple's integration, Windows does cover what is seemingly the whole playing field.

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  # 1352323 27-Jul-2015 09:48
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Apple makes a lot of decisions for you.  There's not 20 ways of doing something, there's 1 way and it's the same on all devices and versions.
Android gives you enough rope to hang yourself. You can have new launchers and keyboards and browsers (full rendering engines, not just Skins) and a Samsung Android device has different toggles/settings/looks to a HTC device etc.

I like Android because of how customisable it is.  But I can understand why people love Apple too because the interface is clean, you KNOW what the Interface will be like when you upgrade/downgrade/have a second device etc.  Apple seem to follow this design principle (stolen from the TextSecure Development Ideaology) "

 

     

  1. The answer is not more options. If you feel compelled to add a preference that's exposed to the user, it's very possible you've made a wrong turn somewhere.

 



Android follows the "fek yea throw another option at it" Ideaology.




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  # 1352324 27-Jul-2015 09:50
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shk292: I'm not a big Ios user but have to occasionally because my son has one.

I find Dropbox is a good way of circumventing the totally annoying control-freakish limitations that Apple put on sharing and transferring files.  I'm half surprised they allow a dropbox app on Ios


Not that long ago, you could hardly share anything. Sice Tim Cook took over, its been in Android catchup mode I feel, to the point where now the screen size is now normal on an iPhone, the featureset is pretty similar. Sharing is now a lot more wodespread and will grow.

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  # 1352325 27-Jul-2015 09:51
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NZSpides: 

Once you work out how iTunes does things it's not really an issue.


Until it decides one day to classify all the content on your phone as "Unknown". Once it is in this state, you can't add any new content on your phone from iTunes. The only way you can recover is to do a back up, factory reset, and restore. Just don't restore from iCloud Backup, as that takes over 2 weeks before it's decided its finished doing this.

Or until it decides it can't import music from third party sources without truncating all songs at the 2 minute mark, forcing a rebuild of your iTunes library. After which point, your Apple TV will no longer be able to see your shared library. Still haven't figured out how to solve that one yet. 

I've been an Apple user and general fan for around 6 years. But they seem to becoming a victim of their own success. Many of their new features look great on paper, but are far too buggy to rely on (looking at you here, iTunes Wifi Sync, AirDrop, & Handoff).

And their new Apple Music service is very cumbersome to use. For example, it won't let me save an album to my library to reference later, as I need iCloud Music enabled. But iTunes won't let me do that because the Apple ID associated with my iMac is different to the one used to sign up for Apple Music. Because you only ever have one user on a desktop computer, right?


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sdavisnz: merrit of ios

great battery life on newer devices compared to android
frequent os upgrades, and you dont miss out on them becuase company x cant be stuffed deploying an update.
secure, no sideloading apps that could be malicous
full app catalouge
I have an ipad air that i use on occasion and my battery last ~ 1 month
accessories galore, youll always find a case and a screen guard and all the other common acc. only flagship droids can say the same, but most places have a massive ios range and a tiny droid range.
stable os, because "you cant touch this" approcach to security, for 99% of people they are okay with that.


disadvantages of ios devices

no full size usb, it doesnt bother me cos I use the cloud but old people still like the full size usb port for some reason, 
no file explorer, you will never see the root of your devices
copying data from ios to pc and vice versa is app depenednt, so if you have a pdf app thats where you pdfs would live, all via itunes.
they cost more, but if you budget concious there is always apple online store refurbshed units that they knock ~200 off.


- Steve

I use ios/android/windows on a daily basis so im not too byast.



no full size usb

Its just a cable, thats how I see it. Whether its to reduce size in the device for "thinner, lighter, faster" or just Apple being Apple and being different, I dunno. Both I'd say.



no file explorer

I've always lived in Windows Explorer, so I am biased towards a file system. But, when I know all my music is in one app, my pdfs are in Goodreader (which has a user defineable filesystem) all my docs are in this app and so forth, it does make a lot of sense. Its already well organised. What would help is that all apps are written to allow create,delete,rename folders, which Goodreader does

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  # 1352333 27-Jul-2015 10:02
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MikeB4: An Apple device will make you go oh cool, ok wow then oh $%!& and !!#&%  they will please you then frustrate the heck out of you.   After a honeymoon period you will be screaming mad at them.  


Don't agree at all. 

Whilst I am an unabashed fan of Apple products, I am also NOT an Apple apologist - if they frustrate me I'll say so. They haven't done that for some time, with the exception of changing iTunes for the worse (but others enjoy the changes, so again, it's a personal thing). 

I have used iOS,  WM, Android and Blackberry in the last few years and currently run a W8.1 mobile and an iPhone. 

Personally, I don't like Android, but I think that's more due to it's lack of familiarity, to be honest. 

I have a brother and many friends who swear by it, so it can't be all bad, but my experiences have always been less than stellar. 

I've been using iOS since the iPhone 3G and to be honest, it's been largely pretty good, very stable and mostly easy to use. 

I have an Apple ecosystem in the house now (Mac, ATV & iOS devices), but I was quite embedded in the Windows universe for a while and the only thing I would complain about was iTunes and it's failure to play nice with earlier versions of Windows. 

I like that fact that it has the inherent safety factor of not being able to sideload apps and the "walled garden" suits me because I want reliability over the ability to root or create...I am simply a consumer. 

It's rare that i find myself frustrated with either the Windows phone or the iOS devices I have as they are easy to understand, have fairly good support and are generally fairly robust. 

I simply haven't had good experiences with Android - MikeB4's comment above is largely how I feel about Android (Samsung in particular). 






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dclegg:
NZSpides: 

Once you work out how iTunes does things it's not really an issue.


Until it decides one day to classify all the content on your phone as "Unknown". Once it is in this state, you can't add any new content on your phone from iTunes. The only way you can recover is to do a back up, factory reset, and restore. Just don't restore from iCloud Backup, as that takes over 2 weeks before it's decided its finished doing this.

Or until it decides it can't import music from third party sources without truncating all songs at the 2 minute mark, forcing a rebuild of your iTunes library. After which point, your Apple TV will no longer be able to see your shared library. Still haven't figured out how to solve that one yet. 

I've been an Apple user and general fan for around 6 years. But they seem to becoming a victim of their own success. Many of their new features look great on paper, but are far too buggy to rely on (looking at you here, iTunes Wifi Sync, AirDrop, & Handoff).

And their new Apple Music service is very cumbersome to use. For example, it won't let me save an album to my library to reference later, as I need iCloud Music enabled. But iTunes won't let me do that because the Apple ID associated with my iMac is different to the one used to sign up for Apple Music. Because you only ever have one user on a desktop computer, right?



I hear you, and heard it before, but TBH I've rarely had issues with iTunes. PC iTunes back in the day would freeze for a bit now and then. I have the odd siong missing on mty iPhone/iPad whuich sits in another album, with one song, I dunno if that was me or it got lost somehow. Ive seen that every now and then. What I love about iTunes is that its easy, it syncs my gear, it backs up my gear and I could replace eveything tomorrow, and the new devices will be identical to what they are now, except wifi and mail PW. Thats pretty darn good

 
 
 
 


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I'm surprised no one is tapping in to the jailbreak of iOS, I know it is currently moot with 8.4.1 release, but still, I'm not leaving 8.4 jailbroken for any other platform at the moment. Not even my BlackBerry lol. I use my classic these days for emails and BBM only, and on Spark as a 'backup' to my Vodafone iOS.

Jailbreak these days seems stable, and not so less secure. I like the tweaks.

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BlueShift: Its the lack of expandable storage that rubs me the wrong way. I can buy a 32GB microSD card for $30 and put it in my Windows phone, but if I want to go from a 16GB iPhone 6 to a 32GB iPhone 6, that costs $170. Exactly the same phone, with slightly more RAM, that likely costs Apple about $2.50. And the jump from 32GB iPhone to 64GB iPhone is another $180. A Class 10 64GB MicroSD card costs a normal person <$100. To get a 64GB iPhone costs $350 over the base model.
Of course that goes for the Samsung Galaxy S6 as well, they charge $250 for 64GB extra.


There is no 32GB model option in the iPhone 6 range. It jumps from 16 to 64. Price jump from 16 to 64 is $170 and $350 is in the case of 16GB to 128GB. 




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Dreal: On a side note, the cloud is pretty darn slow. I've been clouding my FLAC collection recently, and it's taken about a week, and I've needed to do it at night, because it slows my internet to a crawl. I'm not even sure if I want to bother with my movies and tv shows, or the rest of my music. 

I've got about half a terrabyte of media on my PC, even transferring files directly over wifi is often a pain. But microUSB is fine.


Only 1/2 a TB ..... I have all my DVDs ripped, all my CDs ripped, all my photos etc etc etc all on a Mac mini running iTunes and I have over 7TB
 all shared between multiple Apple TVs, Xbox, iPads, Computers, PS4, etc etc etc etc.

There is no way I would think about "the cloud", too slow, too many privacy issues, etc.


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