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  # 1384928 10-Sep-2015 12:34
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How many apps has it got?   iPad has probably hundreds of thousands ,and everything, and it lighter, and screen a bit bigger


Surface/Surface Pro = Laptop/Desktop. They all run full blown windows now days. 

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  # 1384930 10-Sep-2015 12:36
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I am 100% in the Surface camp, but I don't think it will stop people buying eleventy billion iPad Pros.

an iPad Pro will do 90% of what your joe executive needs - email and office docs - and will integrate with their iPhone, Macbook and other overpriced apple ecosystem stuff.

From a business - I would go Surface every single time.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1384932 10-Sep-2015 12:41
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tdgeek:
blackjack17:
wasabi2k:
tdgeek: But a Surface Pro 3 costs a bunch more than an iPad Pro doesnt it? IPad Pro is a bit more than the regular 9.7 so seems quite good value.


Base iPad Pro - US$799
Base Surface Pro 3 - $US$799

The top spec iPad Pro is over US$1000 and has a single thunderbolt port.

The top spec Surface 3 Pro will cost more (i7, 512GB etc).

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/09/ipad-pro-vs-the-competition/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget&ncid=rss_semi



The surface is only slightly smaller than the iPad 12 vs 12.9

The Surface also has the pen included
The keyboard on the iPad is more expensive
The Surface has usb, micro sd, and displayport.

Seems like the surface is much better value


How many apps has it got?   iPad has probably hundreds of thousands ,and everything, and it lighter, and screen a bit bigger
The issue is they are different devices, one is a tablet, the other is  hybrid. Tablet wise I feel the iPad is far superior, due to the app numbers
and its not a while lot more than the 9.7 iPad cost wise, so i feel its good value

A laptop is better value than the iPad as its got more ports, and so forth, but again, they are different devices


The surface has every program ever written for x86.  Number of apps means nothing, its how useful the apps are.   

Weight wise it is 100 grams heavier but it is a year and a half old.

I think the really interesting comparison will be Surface pro 4 vs iPad pro. 



Your comparing a 100% tablet with a hybrid running a full OS? If Apple provides an iPad Pro running OSX you can do that. Otherwise you can't
I could compare my Windows desktop to my iPad Air or my rMBP 15 to my iPad Air, same thing, albeit more exaggerated, although not that much exagerated

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  # 1384934 10-Sep-2015 12:41
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Other than the pen, the keyboard, perhaps improved processors and the size, does the Pro do any more than the Air 2? For example, is the split screen only available on the Pro?

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SheriffNZ: Other than the pen, the keyboard, perhaps improved processors and the size, does the Pro do any more than the Air 2? For example, is the split screen only available on the Pro?


Dont think so, split screen is Air 2 as well.  Screen size is pretty much it. But, split screen would be nicer on the bigger screen, watching streaming will be better.
 With a good case like my portarait/landscape Targus I think it would be great. More pixels than my Retina MBPro 15'

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  # 1384944 10-Sep-2015 12:54
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tdgeek:
SheriffNZ: Other than the pen, the keyboard, perhaps improved processors and the size, does the Pro do any more than the Air 2? For example, is the split screen only available on the Pro?


Dont think so, split screen is Air 2 as well.  Screen size is pretty much it. But, split screen would be nicer on the bigger screen, watching streaming will be better.
 With a good case like my portarait/landscape Targus I think it would be great. More pixels than my Retina MBPro 15'


Thanks - so the Pro and the Surface Pro are really two different devices. I'm running Word/Excel on my Ipad at the moment (admittedly the free version) and it is limited compared with Word on my computer.

As I see it, it all comes down to what your use case is for the device as to which one is better suited.

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  # 1384946 10-Sep-2015 12:56
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I got my samsung note 12.2" tablet and people gave me crap about the size of it, but that's the whole reason I got it. Not the stupid pen that I never use.

But I can just see that they will change their tune with apple now making a bigger one, just like they did with the phone when they all started to get the big 6's.




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  # 1384947 10-Sep-2015 12:58
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blackjack17:
wasabi2k:
tdgeek: But a Surface Pro 3 costs a bunch more than an iPad Pro doesnt it? IPad Pro is a bit more than the regular 9.7 so seems quite good value.


Base iPad Pro - US$799
Base Surface Pro 3 - $US$799

The top spec iPad Pro is over US$1000 and has a single thunderbolt port.

The top spec Surface 3 Pro will cost more (i7, 512GB etc).

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/09/ipad-pro-vs-the-competition/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget&ncid=rss_semi



The surface is only slightly smaller than the iPad 12 vs 12.9

The Surface also has the pen included
The keyboard on the iPad is more expensive
The Surface has usb, micro sd, and displayport.

Seems like the surface is much better value


iPad Pro has larger screen, is thiner, lighter and has longer [advertised] battery life. It can wirelessly stream video without a physical connection. Value is subjective, it depends on what's important to you. Some people like Toyotas, some prefer BMWs. Neither is better value are they as quite different products.

Cheers,
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  # 1384949 10-Sep-2015 12:59
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tdgeek:
blackjack17:
tdgeek:
blackjack17:
wasabi2k:
tdgeek: But a Surface Pro 3 costs a bunch more than an iPad Pro doesnt it? IPad Pro is a bit more than the regular 9.7 so seems quite good value.


Base iPad Pro - US$799
Base Surface Pro 3 - $US$799

The top spec iPad Pro is over US$1000 and has a single thunderbolt port.

The top spec Surface 3 Pro will cost more (i7, 512GB etc).

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/09/ipad-pro-vs-the-competition/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget&ncid=rss_semi



The surface is only slightly smaller than the iPad 12 vs 12.9

The Surface also has the pen included
The keyboard on the iPad is more expensive
The Surface has usb, micro sd, and displayport.

Seems like the surface is much better value


How many apps has it got?   iPad has probably hundreds of thousands ,and everything, and it lighter, and screen a bit bigger
The issue is they are different devices, one is a tablet, the other is  hybrid. Tablet wise I feel the iPad is far superior, due to the app numbers
and its not a while lot more than the 9.7 iPad cost wise, so i feel its good value

A laptop is better value than the iPad as its got more ports, and so forth, but again, they are different devices


The surface has every program ever written for x86.  Number of apps means nothing, its how useful the apps are.   

Weight wise it is 100 grams heavier but it is a year and a half old.

I think the really interesting comparison will be Surface pro 4 vs iPad pro. 



Your comparing a 100% tablet with a hybrid running a full OS? If Apple provides an iPad Pro running OSX you can do that. Otherwise you can't
I could compare my Windows desktop to my iPad Air or my rMBP 15 to my iPad Air, same thing, albeit more exaggerated, although not that much exagerated


I would say that the iPad pro is no longer a pure tablet, it has a keyboard built for it and is being marketed as a productivity tool in direct competition with the surface.  

The surface can be used as a tablet no problems.  When I am teaching I use it almost exclusively in tablet form, hooked up to an apple tv through air parrot using onenote and a stylus.

It is quite fair to compare the surface pro with the iPad pro, similar price point, similar form, similar accessories.




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  # 1384950 10-Sep-2015 13:01
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SheriffNZ:
tdgeek:
SheriffNZ: Other than the pen, the keyboard, perhaps improved processors and the size, does the Pro do any more than the Air 2? For example, is the split screen only available on the Pro?


Dont think so, split screen is Air 2 as well.  Screen size is pretty much it. But, split screen would be nicer on the bigger screen, watching streaming will be better.
 With a good case like my portarait/landscape Targus I think it would be great. More pixels than my Retina MBPro 15'


Thanks - so the Pro and the Surface Pro are really two different devices. I'm running Word/Excel on my Ipad at the moment (admittedly the free version) and it is limited compared with Word on my computer.

As I see it, it all comes down to what your use case is for the device as to which one is better suited.


Yes. One issue is that the apps are pretty much all lite, there needs to be full featured apps. The other issue is ease of use compared to a full OS like Windows or OSX. so Apple needs to give a good tablet based exoerience to minimise those non full OS issues.Then the OS becomes much less important. Apple will never create an OSX tablet. If it can do those two things, its a great consumption tablet, whuich wouydkl make it quite a cool device as a part toem laptop replacement and a read/watch/listen device as well.

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  # 1384955 10-Sep-2015 13:06
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josephhinvest:
blackjack17:
wasabi2k:
tdgeek: But a Surface Pro 3 costs a bunch more than an iPad Pro doesnt it? IPad Pro is a bit more than the regular 9.7 so seems quite good value.


Base iPad Pro - US$799
Base Surface Pro 3 - $US$799

The top spec iPad Pro is over US$1000 and has a single thunderbolt port.

The top spec Surface 3 Pro will cost more (i7, 512GB etc).

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/09/ipad-pro-vs-the-competition/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget&ncid=rss_semi



The surface is only slightly smaller than the iPad 12 vs 12.9

The Surface also has the pen included
The keyboard on the iPad is more expensive
The Surface has usb, micro sd, and displayport.

Seems like the surface is much better value


 It can wirelessly stream video without a physical connection. Value is subjective, it depends on what's important to you. 

Cheers,
Joseph


Surface can stream to miracast and with airparrot ($10 from memory) you can stream to appletv

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  # 1384959 10-Sep-2015 13:09
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Microsoft have this - http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/accessories/wireless-display-adapter

which is miracast and widi. Ive only tried miracast and it was rubbish compared to the apple tv mirroring with greater lag and much more mpeg blocking making text in some cases unreadable. Apparently WiDi is better but since that is intel locked to certain CPU and wifi combo's I dont have anything that supports it to try.




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  # 1384961 10-Sep-2015 13:11
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blackjack17:
Surface can stream to miracast and with airparrot ($10 from memory) you can stream to appletv


Thanks :) I only wrote that to refer to the Surface having a DisplayPort connection listed as an advantage, this makes it even less of a selling point, I would think.

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  # 1384965 10-Sep-2015 13:14
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blackjack17:
Surface can stream to miracast and with airparrot ($10 from memory) you can stream to appletv


Thanks :) I only wrote that to refer to the Surface having a DisplayPort connection listed as an advantage, this makes it even less of a selling point, I would think.


Displayport gives a nice clear compression free, lag free image on multiple screens, or 5k on a high res screen, just like a desktop PC.

Wireless mirroring works for showing powerpoint presentations and movies. Cant work on it because of lag, cant have dense text on it because of compression. Also ok for mirroring gameplay so you can show it to others or capture it on a HDMI capture box, but you cant play it on the mirrored ipad to appletv output because of the lag.

And the apple HDMI output from lightning thing sucks hard too. No comparison to native video output.




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  # 1384966 10-Sep-2015 13:19
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blackjack17:
tdgeek:
blackjack17:
wasabi2k:
tdgeek: But a Surface Pro 3 costs a bunch more than an iPad Pro doesnt it? IPad Pro is a bit more than the regular 9.7 so seems quite good value.


Base iPad Pro - US$799
Base Surface Pro 3 - $US$799

The top spec iPad Pro is over US$1000 and has a single thunderbolt port.

The top spec Surface 3 Pro will cost more (i7, 512GB etc).

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/09/ipad-pro-vs-the-competition/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget&ncid=rss_semi



The surface is only slightly smaller than the iPad 12 vs 12.9

The Surface also has the pen included
The keyboard on the iPad is more expensive
The Surface has usb, micro sd, and displayport.

Seems like the surface is much better value


How many apps has it got?   iPad has probably hundreds of thousands ,and everything, and it lighter, and screen a bit bigger
The issue is they are different devices, one is a tablet, the other is  hybrid. Tablet wise I feel the iPad is far superior, due to the app numbers
and its not a while lot more than the 9.7 iPad cost wise, so i feel its good value

A laptop is better value than the iPad as its got more ports, and so forth, but again, they are different devices


The surface has every program ever written for x86.  Number of apps means nothing, its how useful the apps are.   

Weight wise it is 100 grams heavier but it is a year and a half old.

I think the really interesting comparison will be Surface pro 4 vs iPad pro. 


It might be able to run heaps of legacy software, but font scaling can make applications look ugly, or if you don't scale, then they look teeny tiny.
iOS wins at being a touch input device primarily, with on screen items being the right size to touch etc, that's the benefit of a modern OS designed from the ground up for touch, and throwing out the legacy baggage.


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