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  Reply # 1437448 29-Nov-2015 23:32
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Geektastic: Why not the Apple keyboard?


The feedback on it was very mixed and it doesn't act as a case like the Logitech. To be honest, the screen is so large that typing on it directly isn't that bad.

So far I would struggle to recommend it (the iPad Pro), you can get a 13" MBP which, aside from the screen, is just a much more useful device and not that much bigger once you add a case & keyboard.


The cheapest MacBook Pro is $2399 - a full $1000 higher than the cheapest iPad Pro.

Things the $1000 cheaper iPad pro has that the MacBook Pro doesn't:

- biometric security / instant login (TouchID)
- fantastic drawing solutions (Apple Pencil)
- fantastic portability (thinner, lighter)
- fantastic sound
- dual cameras
- built in cellular networking option
- Siri
- over 500,000 iPad apps
- compatibility with over 1 million iPhone apps

Yes, there are some situations where a MacBook Pro is better (app development, heavy typing) but off most users the iPad pro is likely a better & cheaper option.


Most of the reviews I have read suggest that whether the iPP is 'better' for a user than a MBP depends largely on what use they will put it to. Designers, photographers and so on seem to be those for whom it is generally suggested that the iPP would be of most use to.

I'm going to get one but I am still trying to work out the best way to use it to get images off my cameras and onto some kind of reliable backup storage drives when I am shooting on location overseas etc. A MBP is easy - just plug in Thunderbolt drives and go. The iPP does not suggest to me any such obvious way.


Thats the thing. Easy to use, intuitive. Yet to do the simple task you want, you need to google, buy something such as a camera connection kit, wifi HDD, then cobble together the workaround. Or plug in a USB stick, drive, camera to a MBA and just do it. I like my Apple gear, but to me an iPad is a read/watch/play consumption device. Anything else is often too much hard work to be bothered with. Use cases will vary that off course, but just saying.


I agree. The Pro is quite obviously going to appeal to photographers, who can use it to edit images with the Pencil.

Yet they then omit simple things like connections for hard drives, a reliable way to get images from both SD cards AND Compact Flash cards and so on. It's as if they failed to ask anyone who does not actually work for Apple what features such a device should most usefully have designed into it.

Even the storage capacity - 128Gb - is too small without additional storage options for photographers who travel without access to Cupertino Speed internet. I could fill that much in a week or two shooting 36Mp files. It's all very well to say 'use the Cloud, man..' when you are in LA - it does not work so well when you are on a night bus in Laos or something!

I believe the new connector supports USB 3 so there may be an adaptor in the offing that would allow you to connect drives that way.





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I agree. The Pro is quite obviously going to appeal to photographers, who can use it to edit images with the Pencil.

Yet they then omit simple things like connections for hard drives, a reliable way to get images from both SD cards AND Compact Flash cards and so on. It's as if they failed to ask anyone who does not actually work for Apple what features such a device should most usefully have designed into it.

Even the storage capacity - 128Gb - is too small without additional storage options for photographers who travel without access to Cupertino Speed internet. I could fill that much in a week or two shooting 36Mp files. It's all very well to say 'use the Cloud, man..' when you are in LA - it does not work so well when you are on a night bus in Laos or something!

I believe the new connector supports USB 3 so there may be an adaptor in the offing that would allow you to connect drives that way.


There has been the capability to add adapters for storage for a long long time, never happened. Display, camera, SD, yes. But just use the cloud for everything as Apple will say. But while that is a great option its not always a great option. Sometimes a $9 16GB USB 2 stick is easier and quicker, or an $80 USB 3 64GB stick. K.I.S.S  



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  Reply # 1437509 30-Nov-2015 08:34
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The cheapest MacBook Pro is $2399 - a full $1000 higher than the cheapest iPad Pro.


The 32GB model is not viable so you're at $1700 just for the IPP, add in the keyboard and you've hit $2k. It's also not hard to find MBP's with 5-10% discounts, even more than that if you check the Apple Refurbished section regularly.

I guess my point is that for *most* people, the MBP represents much better value for money because it does much more. Yes, there are thousands of apps on the app store but the vast majority are crap. There are some gems in there but a lot of those are now tied to desktop software and/or cloud services and the desktop apps offer so much more.

As a personal example, there are no RAW-capable image editors on the IPP that can handle the 24MP images I work with and that's a pretty basic requirement. It's nice that when I am traveling I could use the IPP to do some tweaks to JPG files but I'd still have to redo all of that work once I get home using my MBP or Mac Pro.


Technically I am very impressed with the IPP and I love the Apple Pencil but it just doesn't really offer enough that I could recommend it over buying either a smaller iPad or getting a laptop.

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  Reply # 1437563 30-Nov-2015 09:01
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kbkiwi:
The cheapest MacBook Pro is $2399 - a full $1000 higher than the cheapest iPad Pro.


The 32GB model is not viable so you're at $1700 just for the IPP, add in the keyboard and you've hit $2k. It's also not hard to find MBP's with 5-10% discounts, even more than that if you check the Apple Refurbished section regularly.

I guess my point is that for *most* people, the MBP represents much better value for money because it does much more. Yes, there are thousands of apps on the app store but the vast majority are crap. There are some gems in there but a lot of those are now tied to desktop software and/or cloud services and the desktop apps offer so much more.

As a personal example, there are no RAW-capable image editors on the IPP that can handle the 24MP images I work with and that's a pretty basic requirement. It's nice that when I am traveling I could use the IPP to do some tweaks to JPG files but I'd still have to redo all of that work once I get home using my MBP or Mac Pro.


Technically I am very impressed with the IPP and I love the Apple Pencil but it just doesn't really offer enough that I could recommend it over buying either a smaller iPad or getting a laptop.


I agree. Its like a great device that doesnt have a home, or a place in the marketplace to. Cook calls it a laptop replacement, why get a PC he says, but its restricted iOS on a 2k 13" screen. Makes sense to get a 13 MBA instead. If you want to edit photos, an iPad and pencil or a MBA and mouse?  Let alone working around the iOS limitations. Great for on the go, but size wise, weight wise once its outfitted with a pencil and keyboard, its a laptop replacement in size and costs and portability, but its still iOS



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  Reply # 1437716 30-Nov-2015 10:59
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kbkiwi:
The cheapest MacBook Pro is $2399 - a full $1000 higher than the cheapest iPad Pro.


The 32GB model is not viable so you're at $1700 just for the IPP, add in the keyboard and you've hit $2k. It's also not hard to find MBP's with 5-10% discounts, even more than that if you check the Apple Refurbished section regularly.

I guess my point is that for *most* people, the MBP represents much better value for money because it does much more. Yes, there are thousands of apps on the app store but the vast majority are crap. There are some gems in there but a lot of those are now tied to desktop software and/or cloud services and the desktop apps offer so much more.

As a personal example, there are no RAW-capable image editors on the IPP that can handle the 24MP images I work with and that's a pretty basic requirement. It's nice that when I am traveling I could use the IPP to do some tweaks to JPG files but I'd still have to redo all of that work once I get home using my MBP or Mac Pro.


Technically I am very impressed with the IPP and I love the Apple Pencil but it just doesn't really offer enough that I could recommend it over buying either a smaller iPad or getting a laptop.


I guess I'm discussing this on the wrong forum - it is called geek zone after all - but I'm using a 32GB iPad pro and have no issues with storage. I have no need for the keyboard either - why exactly would I need it?

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