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  Reply # 1495212 18-Feb-2016 20:18
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DarthKermit: If my maths is correct, a six digit PIN gives 10^6, or a million possible combinations. That wouldn't take a computer long to try all the combinations.

 

You can use the fastest computer in the world, but if the target device deletes itself after ten failed attempts all you have done is speeded up the process.

 

What using more digits does is reduces the probability that any of those first ten attempts will be successful.


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  Reply # 1495467 19-Feb-2016 10:12
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dickytim: To clarify my position, if Apple could open up this one phone, or a very specificly court ordered cases, without giving a group the tool to do this, or creating something that doesn't exist i think they should.

By far the sounds of the letter they have already done everything bar creating this tool.

 

Apple are basically saying it's Pandora's Box and I agree with them. If they create it there is NO guarantee it won't leak. It's almost certain it will, but even if it doesn't the simple fact they did it once will mean every government and LEA want's it done all the time. Read some speculation that the FBI/US govt has the ability to crack it, but what they are seeking is legal precedent to force the device manufacturers to do it on demand.

 

People need to be protected from governments, and just because THIS phone belongs to a bad guy, doesn't mean the next one will.





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  Reply # 1495475 19-Feb-2016 10:31
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Compare also with Microsoft's refusal to handover data from Ireland based on a request from the US courts, and also Blackberry refusing to comply with Pakistan's demands for access to BES traffic or servers. 


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  Reply # 1495502 19-Feb-2016 11:05
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...and if there was ever a good advert for how terrorists/crims should secure themselves against the enforcements agencies then this is it.

 

Life is getting much harder for enforcement agencies and easier for the low-life.





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  Reply # 1495508 19-Feb-2016 11:11
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robjg63:

 

...and if there was ever a good advert for how terrorists/crims should secure themselves against the enforcements agencies then this is it.

 

Life is getting much harder for enforcement agencies and easier for the low-life.

 

 

 

 

How so, exactly? She shot a bunch of people in broad daylight in front of a crowd. She's not going to get away with for lack of evidence, or something.





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  Reply # 1495523 19-Feb-2016 11:15
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SaltyNZ:

 

robjg63:

 

...and if there was ever a good advert for how terrorists/crims should secure themselves against the enforcements agencies then this is it.

 

Life is getting much harder for enforcement agencies and easier for the low-life.

 

 

 

 

How so, exactly? She shot a bunch of people in broad daylight in front of a crowd. She's not going to get away with for lack of evidence, or something.

 

 

But who else did they work with? Was it an isolated pair or part of a group?

 

Are there more/worse attacks planned?

 

If they have done all their communication on locked up phones we will never know, will we? - until next time.





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  Reply # 1495525 19-Feb-2016 11:17
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I bet the guys and gals on CSI Cyber could figure it out!





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  Reply # 1495532 19-Feb-2016 11:30
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robjg63: If they have done all their communication on locked up phones we will never know, will we? - until next time.

 

 

If they had done all their communications with a 3rd party app that provided secure communications, if they had used PGP, if they had used TOR, the list goes on.

 

OBL survived 10 years after 9/11, and it had nothing to do with encryption, he already assumed everything electronic could be tracked.


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  Reply # 1495558 19-Feb-2016 11:39
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robjg63:

 

But who else did they work with? Was it an isolated pair or part of a group?

 

Are there more/worse attacks planned?

 

If they have done all their communication on locked up phones we will never know, will we? - until next time.

 

 

As I understand the US press coverage, the perps each had a personal smartphone and they destroyed them both. They had a home PC and the authorities have not been able to find the hard disk.
This iPhone was the male perp's work phone.

 

Surely a couple who have shown sufficient IT clues would be sufficiently careful and thoughtful as to not use a work phone for their illegal activities.
So none of your questions are likely to be illuminated by the contents of this device

 

Looks to me like an FBI attempt to establish a legal precedent in a low-risk, time insensitive situation - they are virtually certain there's nothing of interest on this iPhone, so they don't actually care if it takes several years to wend its way up to the US Supreme Court.

 

More strength to Apple's arm on this question, in my view


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  Reply # 1495559 19-Feb-2016 11:43
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gnfb:

 

I bet the guys and gals on CSI Cyber could figure it out!

 

 

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  Reply # 1495603 19-Feb-2016 12:33
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So out of interest, what happens with an android device. I've got a SIM pin and lockscreen pin. But I don't know what happens beyond a delay in re-entering the pin.


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  Reply # 1495617 19-Feb-2016 12:38
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gnfb:

 

I bet the guys and gals on CSI Cyber could figure it out!

 

 

And in only 41 minutes


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  Reply # 1495618 19-Feb-2016 12:38
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gnfb:

 

I bet the guys and gals on CSI Cyber could figure it out!

 

 

 

 

Yep, all they need to do is find some CCTV footage of them using the iphone and keying in the PIN, then use their well known infinite zoom and enhance software to zoom in on it, no matter how distant, grainy or poor the image is. Simple.


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  Reply # 1495631 19-Feb-2016 12:43
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Lop the guys finger off, put in evidence bag along with phone, problem solved


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  Reply # 1495638 19-Feb-2016 12:55
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Wade:

 

Lop the guys finger off, put in evidence bag along with phone, problem solved

 

 

 

 

Now, if the phone had been an iPhone 5S rather than a 5C, that's probably exactly what they would have done, him being dead and all.





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