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  Reply # 1626968 10-Sep-2016 12:41
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Can't edit that link (broke right margins) but here's the better one:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=65_PmYipnpk

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  Reply # 1626973 10-Sep-2016 13:13
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Paul1977:
tdgeek:

 

dickytim: The can choose.

Buy an iPhone 7 or not.

This is the same way people chose the 30 pin adaptor or lightning.

 

 

 

Yep, and the 30 pin to lightning was more an issue than losing the 3.5 jack. This time they softened that by including an adaptor. And unlike cock radios and other 30 pin devices which then required and adapter OR the adapter and phone wont fit, the jackless iPhone 7 has BT which is unaffected. IMHO the incidence of "I can't use it now" is very small compared to the 30 pin change. 

 



"Cock radios", classic!

 

Opps, clock. Dang splle checker!!

 

 

 

 

Oh - I thought it was a subdermal implant I had not heard of....






 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1626983 10-Sep-2016 13:36
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I use the head phone jack everyday. It is fine getting rid of something if a better solution exists and apples reasoning is because wireless is the future. However they are not even going to have these airpods ready by launch day and they are very pricy. Not only that but wireless being so close to you is a potential health issue and they even have a warning in the iPhones settings about exposure to rf.
Its reasons for removing stuff is following on Steve Jobs courage mantra but they need to move on into the next generation as he died years ago and things have moved on. Getting rid of things traps you in ecosystems. I was trying to get a large voice memo of an iPhone but it was almost impossible without connecting it to iTunes and going into explorer to find there file. Also getting images into an iPad from a PC is hard work and ended up having to do it with the web based iCloud when it could be done with an micro SD card



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  Reply # 1627083 10-Sep-2016 17:19
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Yup for me.

 

I've been using bluetooth headphones for a few years now.  I'm already there.

 

Jaybird Bluebuds. Brilliant little things

 

 

I have bluebuds as well for the gym. But the sound is nowhere as good as wired. And I have to charge them. So the wired always wins out over the bluebuds outside of the gym.

 

 


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  Reply # 1627088 10-Sep-2016 17:34
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thegeekboy:

 

Yup for me.

 

I've been using bluetooth headphones for a few years now.  I'm already there.

 

Jaybird Bluebuds. Brilliant little things

 

 

I have bluebuds as well for the gym. But the sound is nowhere as good as wired. And I have to charge them. So the wired always wins out over the bluebuds outside of the gym.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is interesting. Does the current version of bluetooth exceed the audio quality of a wired connection? The older bluetooth versions had a very noticeable sound quality difference, where the music sounded very compressed over bluetooth. I think the beats bluetooth earphones are better than the apple design, as they clip onto the ears so they can't fall off, and have a wire to connect them to one another. The apple version withe the charging case, means you have to carry 4 things, instead of just 2 things. There is nothing much better than wired headphones, where you can just wrap the wire around the phone. If it ain't broke.




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  Reply # 1627092 10-Sep-2016 17:42
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Paul1977: OT, but what do people think of these wireless AirPods coming in October?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think they will be easily lost and not cheap to replace.

 



Very true, but I still think they look kinda cool.

 

They look identical to the wired buds, sans the wires. So you pay $200 to get inferior sounding buds that have to be charged. Or, put another way, you can be $200 better off using the free buds that sound better and don't have to be charged ... but have wires. 




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  Reply # 1627101 10-Sep-2016 17:47
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ripdog:

 

Wade: Are the lightning earpods analog or digital? If digital them this is the ultimate move, upgrade to headphones with better DAC's as you see fit.... Can't wait till android do the same

 

 

 

You could always get lightning/usb headphones for either android or iOS. There's no need to remove the 3.5mm port that almost everyone uses with almost every audio device. Throwing away decades of compatibility for nothing. Progress!

 

 

Two reasons. To make room for the tactile force touch on the home button and the larger circuit board for the due camera which was relocated due to size.

 

Progress!  :-)

 

 

You lose a really useful input to gain a re-enginneered home button that does exactly the same function as the old one. Not the kind of progress that I want.




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  Reply # 1627103 10-Sep-2016 17:49
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JPNZ: Not to mention losing the 3.5mm jack enabled them to fit a 14% larger battery allowing 2 hours extra usage per charge.

That alone is more important to me than a jack I use once a year.

 

Other manufacturers have bigger batteries, and an input jack to boot, in a similar form factor. Well done Apple.




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  Reply # 1627115 10-Sep-2016 17:57
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Warning - this has explicit language.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgBDdDdSqNE

 

 


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  Reply # 1627125 10-Sep-2016 18:00
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mattwnz: I use the head phone jack everyday. It is fine getting rid of something if a better solution exists and apples reasoning is because wireless is the future. However they are not even going to have these airpods ready by launch day and they are very pricy. Not only that but wireless being so close to you is a potential health issue and they even have a warning in the iPhones settings about exposure to rf.
Its reasons for removing stuff is following on Steve Jobs courage mantra but they need to move on into the next generation as he died years ago and things have moved on. Getting rid of things traps you in ecosystems. I was trying to get a large voice memo of an iPhone but it was almost impossible without connecting it to iTunes and going into explorer to find there file. Also getting images into an iPad from a PC is hard work and ended up having to do it with the web based iCloud when it could be done with an micro SD card


Just use the adapter they provide for free ?

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  Reply # 1627139 10-Sep-2016 18:35
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mattwnz: I use the head phone jack everyday. It is fine getting rid of something if a better solution exists and apples reasoning is because wireless is the future. However they are not even going to have these airpods ready by launch day and they are very pricy. Not only that but wireless being so close to you is a potential health issue and they even have a warning in the iPhones settings about exposure to rf.
Its reasons for removing stuff is following on Steve Jobs courage mantra but they need to move on into the next generation as he died years ago and things have moved on. Getting rid of things traps you in ecosystems. I was trying to get a large voice memo of an iPhone but it was almost impossible without connecting it to iTunes and going into explorer to find there file. Also getting images into an iPad from a PC is hard work and ended up having to do it with the web based iCloud when it could be done with an micro SD card


Just use the adapter they provide for free ?

 

 

 

You can't use that option though, if it is being powered or charging. Also I suspect you can't use it with any of the cases that have battery packs on them. I suspect though next year with the iphone 8 or whatever they will call it, it will have wireless charging, so this won't be a problem. That will definitely be a landmark device, as they will almost definitely be making some big design changes with it. eg OLED 4k screen, no home button, no side bezels etc


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  Reply # 1627396 11-Sep-2016 13:43
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After watching the keynote I don't think Apple were really wanting to remove the headphone jack this year but they had to. This is because they don't want the iPhone 8 to be controversial, being the 10 year anniversary. So they had to remove it this year. Apparently they were looking at wireless charging this year, which would have partly soloved the problem over the lack of ports with having only a single lightning port. Just a pity Apple didn't put their money where their mouth was and include the new airpods with the device. The whole 'courage' thing is really just marketing spin, as is the notion that it is something that has been in use for 100 years, as the 3.5 plug is nowhere near that old. It is also a free open source plug unlike the Lightning port, which is very expensive for manufacturers to use.

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  Reply # 1627484 11-Sep-2016 16:41
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Its quite a simple solution to the people.....dont buy one. Wait another year or two or buy an Android.

 

 

 

Personally I missed the 6S so have purchased a 7 which should be a decent upgrade.

 

The amount of change each year to phones will likely get smaller so a 2-3 year replacement cycle will start to sound sensible, especially considering the price tag.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1627523 11-Sep-2016 18:21
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Pumpedd:

 

The amount of change each year to phones will likely get smaller so a 2-3 year replacement cycle will start to sound sensible, especially considering the price tag.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One thing that does require people to upgrade every few years is battery life, as the battery can be significantly bad after 2 years of constant use.


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  Reply # 1627549 11-Sep-2016 19:10
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JPNZ: Not to mention losing the 3.5mm jack enabled them to fit a 14% larger battery allowing 2 hours extra usage per charge.

That alone is more important to me than a jack I use once a year.

 

Other manufacturers have bigger batteries, and an input jack to boot, in a similar form factor. Well done Apple.

 

 

Maybe they have bigger batteries to power a quad core, over head cam with twin foxtails as they have to use standard CPU fare, rather than a custom SoC?

 

I get the no head jack, but its not a quality issue, its a "do you want to charge as well issue"


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