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  Reply # 1627734 12-Sep-2016 09:27
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Just copied this over from the note 7 thread ...

 

 

 

VKoil: Is it just me or does it feel like a lot is being made of a missing 3.5mm Jack?

The Moto Z did it and no one picked on it. I know Apple is a more popular brand but it's customers have always been willing to pay a premium price.

I think a missing jack is not going to affect the average i-user. Surely they're used to the dongle life by now (note apple's change to lightning)? Okay that's a bit tongue in cheek...

I think Apple's biggest problem is this: it's a bit boring.
Customer x goes to upgrade their iPhone 6 to the latest iPhone 7, comes home and an hour later they've restored their content from iCloud...aaaand they have a device that looks and feels exactly like their old 6 or 5...

No new toys immediately noticeable - sure it's a little faster thanks to the new processor (but not everyone's subscribed to geekzone and the layman won't know the power it's actually packing). Maybe the camera if they buy the 7 plus will be novel for a little while.

And the one thing OS fragmentation is good for is that it allows us to feel like things have changed from the last device...The Note 7 for example - even Samsung's customizations change from device to device; there's new functionality - tangible changes in OS behaviour. Whether it be new stylus operations or just the new de-greased look of the latest touchwiz... Something is always a bit different with each android device.

Apple...just roll out the latest iOS to every Apple iPhone at once. In fact the look and feel of iOS has changed very little since the 2007 iPhone (bar the change away from skeuomorphism).

In some ways Apple's like the Porsche of the tech world... If it ain't broke don't fix it - fine tune it under the hood but leave the design unchanged.

There's nothing wrong with Apple's approach though and most of what I say is my opinionated dribble... But does anyone else see it this way?

 

 For your average i-user, the jack is probably not a big thing. For audio lovers, I suspect it is, but we are a small group in the overall user population. Moto dropping it was probably ignored because Moto is such a small player. I hope other manufacturers fight apple on this and keep it in kit for the foreseeable future as a point of differentiation over apple.

 

 I agree with your sentiments. One thing about apple that I don't like is that they deliberately underspec some functionality to keep up their sleeve for the next release. Up until this latest release it was the 16GB storage when virtually all other flagships had moved on (name me one flagship from last year other than apple that shipped with 16GB with no ability to expand). This year, it's the 1080 screen when virtually everyone else has upped their resolution. Not too bad on the smaller iPhone, but on the plus version this is a spec deficiency that defies the $1,500+ price.

 

 But, there's enough apple fans out there to keep buying the underspec'ed kit, so I guess no incentive for apple to change.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1627738 12-Sep-2016 09:31
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mattwnz:Also I suspect you can't use it with any of the cases that have battery packs on them. 

 

 

You should not be counting on your current case fitting the new model phone anyway. And I'm sure it won't be long before there are battery cases with a lightning input (or two).


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  Reply # 1627743 12-Sep-2016 09:38
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I would have to ask what the perceivable difference between 4k and 1080p on a 5.5" screen is. I doubt many could see the difference. 

 

Personally, I'm going from a 6 Plus to a 7 Plus so I will get a number of new features including 3D touch a much faster device (2x I believe) and a hugely improved camera. You are probably correct that the change from 6S to 7 is minimal, but many will be in my boat going from the generation before.

 

Personally I have no problem with Andriod and in fact rocked Sony z2 for a while, but I just found that I prefer iOS and found that Andriod on a tablet was awful, and I wanted the same OS across all my mobile devices.

 

Headphone jack doesn't affect me as I'm wireless already.





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  Reply # 1627747 12-Sep-2016 09:45
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IMHO 90% of the commenters saying they won't buy the iPhone were never going to buy it anyway.

 

For me I have never once had to charge my phone while listening to music so not a big deal.

 

I also have Bluetooth headphones and wired.




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  Reply # 1627761 12-Sep-2016 10:23
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dafman:

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/84149339/How-do-Apples-AirPods-really-feel

 

 

 

 

Nice. If I ever got any, I'd tether them, so that if one or both fall out, they are tethered to clothing. They will fall out, even gor the best-snug-fit ears. its when, not if. That may be on carpet, more likely on a road or rough running/biking track. Or bumped in a mall 


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  Reply # 1627764 12-Sep-2016 10:26
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The thing with the moto z is there is still a choice that can be made that would still give you the same os and the same level of hardware.

 

With the iPhone you have one and only one choice to get the latest hardware that will give you iOS. Your only other choice is to buy last years model and then very likely you will be unable to buy any model.





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  Reply # 1627775 12-Sep-2016 10:47
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dickytim:

 

IMHO 90% of the commenters saying they won't buy the iPhone were never going to buy it anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would never buy myself an iPhone but wife and daughter both have iPhones and iPads, you can be a "hater" and a "consumer" all at the same time :P

 

 

 

BTT

 

I think the 'against' people fall into a couple of categories here, those that don't like change for no good reason, and those that are heavily invested in headphones that are now semi redundant. Surely the potential of being able to buy a headphone with built in DAC is a win win for audiophiles? The phone becomes the least critical aspect in the chain for SQ? 

 

Nobody seems to have raised the issue of the flimsy cord of the lightning headphones and the impact of having it on the bottom of the phone, i would have thought the plug would be a right angled or at least better reinforced than it looks, I have a bunch of apple cords that have not weathered the test of time.

 

 


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  Reply # 1627815 12-Sep-2016 11:54
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I'll be sticking with my 5S. Apple's policy of 'we know what's best for you' is starting to grind my gears. My wired sennheiser headphones sound great and I'll use them for several more years until it breaks, my car stereo connects to my iPhone via the 3.5mm plug as does my home lounge speaker system. I won't be buying multiple dongles or ferrying one dongle between devices, which, in past experience with Apple's adapters, will break sooner than later. What a needless hassle.

 

However I'd like to stick with the iPhone in the future as I do prefer the ease of use with iOS. I've owned a 3GS, a 4, and a 5S so far. My ideal phone would be a similar size as the 5S with a curved bezel, a true next-gen battery (calcium-ion?), and a matte screen (hey it is a wishlist). Wireless charging would not be high on my list of priorities if the battery could last a week. Apple's priorities sadly seem to be elsewhere, gouging consumers for every last penny.


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  Reply # 1627824 12-Sep-2016 12:24
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...my car stereo connects to my iPhone via the 3.5mm plug as does my home lounge speaker system...

 

 

I'll concede that those are two instances (as opposed to headphones, in my opinion) where you would want to charge and play at the same time. However, for the cost of a couple of dongles both are easily sorted. Not ideal, but hardly an insurmountable problem.

 

 




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  Reply # 1627833 12-Sep-2016 12:47
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Wade:

 

 

 

BTT

 

I think the 'against' people fall into a couple of categories here, those that don't like change for no good reason, and those that are heavily invested in headphones that are now semi redundant.

 

 

 

 

Only redundant in IOS and Moto land. All other manufacturers supply the jack, long may it last.


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  Reply # 1627853 12-Sep-2016 12:55
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petes117:

 

...my car stereo connects to my iPhone via the 3.5mm plug as does my home lounge speaker system...

 

 

I'll concede that those are two instances (as opposed to headphones, in my opinion) where you would want to charge and play at the same time. However, for the cost of a couple of dongles both are easily sorted. Not ideal, but hardly an insurmountable problem.

 

 

 

 

But wait, Apple provide a solution to "your" problem for a measly USD49 :P

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1627860 12-Sep-2016 13:30
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I'm sure a great deal of the motivation behind the removal of the headphone jack is to do with Apple making more money.

 

However, while the iPhone 7 doesn't seem to gain any real benefit from it's removal, those benefits may come in the iPhone 8. As someone pointed out earlier, removing the headphone jack this year may simply be to get the criticism out of the way so when the 8 is revealed the reaction is all positive.


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  Reply # 1627870 12-Sep-2016 13:36
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Wade:

 

dickytim:

 

IMHO 90% of the commenters saying they won't buy the iPhone were never going to buy it anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would never buy myself an iPhone but wife and daughter both have iPhones and iPads, you can be a "hater" and a "consumer" all at the same time :P

 

 

 

BTT

 

I think the 'against' people fall into a couple of categories here, those that don't like change for no good reason, and those that are heavily invested in headphones that are now semi redundant. Surely the potential of being able to buy a headphone with built in DAC is a win win for audiophiles? The phone becomes the least critical aspect in the chain for SQ? 

 

Nobody seems to have raised the issue of the flimsy cord of the lightning headphones and the impact of having it on the bottom of the phone, i would have thought the plug would be a right angled or at least better reinforced than it looks, I have a bunch of apple cords that have not weathered the test of time.

 

 

 

 

I am wondering about the sound quality via the lightning jack and adaptor. Theoretically I would think there is no reason this should drop. Therefore it is not about the audio quality but the desire to not carry an adaptor. Aright angle plug would be great so it sits flush along the bottom on the phone.


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  Reply # 1627938 12-Sep-2016 15:26
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DjShadow:

 

Bose just came back to me pretty much saying "not yet" but the 3.5mm to lightning adapter will be $12 from Apple

 

 

 

 

So how do you charge your phone and listen to music? College Humour on youtube has a fantastic mickey take of the new iphone 7 - but be warned it does use the f word 6 - 10 times.

 

Oh - and apples earbuds at $129 compared to $10 of plugged in jacked earbuds or $30 for bluetooth ear pieces  from amazon - not very compelling.

 

 





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