Will you buy iPhone 7 without the audio jack?

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#1627941 12-Sep-2016 15:30

geocom:

Nope. I hate how apple have become everything via dongles. It started with the macbook and ethernet and has just snowballed. Sure I may not use the port that is directly on the device but when I need it I need it and I don't want to be stuck having left the dongle somewhere or fumbling around to find it.

So what next is the macbook going to get a lightning port so you can use the same headphones on your phone or are they going to give us a dongle to convert digital to analog then back to digital and then out as analog.

Apple was all about sleek, all in one, sylish etc - now you have to hang truckloads of cables out of it to do anything. Need USB stick data - hang a dongle, need ear buds, hang a dongle, need anything - hang a dongle. So if I have a charging dock for an iphone, how do I connect it to my speakers at the same time without a jack?

Also what is really new in the new iphone? I'm hearing talk of new processors where there is a low power one for small stuff and a kick ass big one for when you need grunt - but not sure if it is in this phone. At the end of the dy what is new in it (other than needing more dongles?)

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#1627942 12-Sep-2016 15:32

PhantomNVD: @paul1977 guess you missed this in the launch thread:

eracode:

Things move quickly - the first third-party AirPods are already available:

😂

Is that a tampon hanging out of his ear?

My wife saw it and asked why he's got an electric toothbrush hanging out of his ear - great for ear wax removal.

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#1627966 12-Sep-2016 16:02

dickytim:

I am wondering about the sound quality via the lightning jack and adaptor. Theoretically I would think there is no reason this should drop. Therefore it is not about the audio quality but the desire to not carry an adaptor. Aright angle plug would be great so it sits flush along the bottom on the phone.

I'm assuming that the adaptor have a DAC/line amp built in, on one hand this would scare me that something relatively important is such a low cost part, on the plus side a better quality adaptor should reap far greater results than the same headphone combo on an older iPhone with its analogue output?

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#1627978 12-Sep-2016 16:17

nunz:

DjShadow:

Bose just came back to me pretty much saying "not yet" but the 3.5mm to lightning adapter will be $12 from Apple

So how do you charge your phone and listen to music? College Humour on youtube has a fantastic mickey take of the new iphone 7 - but be warned it does use the f word 6 - 10 times.

Oh - and apples earbuds at $129 compared to $10 of plugged in jacked earbuds or $30 for bluetooth ear pieces from amazon - not very compelling.

I reckon the apple math is something like this

1. One in every 'x' iphone buyers will purchase the air pods, effectively lifting the net price of the iphone for apple.

2. One in every 'x' air pod purchasers will lose 'x' number of air pods in a year, effectively lifting apple revenue.

3. 'x' amount of revenue in lightning royalties from headphone manufacturers forced into offering an iphone version of product, effectively lifting apple revenue.

Apple aren't stupid. This is not about 'courage' or moving technology ahead. This is a pure revenue play (IMHO).

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#1627998 12-Sep-2016 17:18

dafman:

nunz:

DjShadow:

Bose just came back to me pretty much saying "not yet" but the 3.5mm to lightning adapter will be $12 from Apple

So how do you charge your phone and listen to music? College Humour on youtube has a fantastic mickey take of the new iphone 7 - but be warned it does use the f word 6 - 10 times.

Oh - and apples earbuds at $129 compared to $10 of plugged in jacked earbuds or $30 for bluetooth ear pieces from amazon - not very compelling.

I reckon the apple math is something like this

1. One in every 'x' iphone buyers will purchase the air pods, effectively lifting the net price of the iphone for apple.

2. One in every 'x' air pod purchasers will lose 'x' number of air pods in a year, effectively lifting apple revenue.

3. 'x' amount of revenue in lightning royalties from headphone manufacturers forced into offering an iphone version of product, effectively lifting apple revenue.

Apple aren't stupid. This is not about 'courage' or moving technology ahead. This is a pure revenue play (IMHO).

The thing is you can't buy the airpods yet with a new iphone, so they are missing out on upselling you on it at the point of purchase of the phone. People are less likely to purchase them afterwards, over other types of headphone. They also just look weird with the sticks. If they were glossy black to match the new iphone colour, so they weren't as noticeable, that would help.
Apple will spin anything to make it sound better. eg The fact that they are still using such an old screen technology compared to the other flagship phones, but they won't say it is worse. Instead they big out an improved version. Ween the next years iphone will likely get OLED screens.
Also the fact that they keep saying ' this is our best iphone yet'. Well isn't that just stating the obvious, because if it wasn't improved from last years, then they have a massive problem.

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#1628082 12-Sep-2016 18:54

Paul1977:

I'm sure a great deal of the motivation behind the removal of the headphone jack is to do with Apple making more money.

However, while the iPhone 7 doesn't seem to gain any real benefit from it's removal, those benefits may come in the iPhone 8. As someone pointed out earlier, removing the headphone jack this year may simply be to get the criticism out of the way so when the 8 is revealed the reaction is all positive.

I read the force 3D or whatever they call it now, and the camera circuit board was moved due to size. Someone here said the battery got a bit bigger too

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#1628100 12-Sep-2016 19:13

It humors me when people say they're going to use their old iPhone forever because of this. Have fun with that

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#1628113 12-Sep-2016 19:36

Yabanize:

It humors me when people say they're going to use their old iPhone forever because of this. Have fun with that

Or they may switch to another brand.

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#1628135 12-Sep-2016 20:01

I am not sure what I am missing here?

The headphones come with an adapter so the function is exactly the same as the current model. Just keep the adapter attached the the headphones and status quo remains.

One doesn't HAVE to buy the Airpods do they? There are a multitude of wireless headphones available on the market and in common use today, won't that continue to be the case and in fact likely that wireless will be redundant in the very near future?

Most cars I drive have bluetooth so no wires there.

Seems a lot of fuss over very little IMO, and a nod towards a wireless future. I am sure in very short order after market 'Airpods' will be on the market and they will be as common as earbuds are now, a simple and natural solution to the charge/play conundrum.

To answer the OP's question...absolutely. Wireless is the future, this is just a small step in that direction. Next to get rid of any jacks whatsoever. iPhone8 perhaps?

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#1628147 12-Sep-2016 20:20

Iphone 8 should be in 2018 based on recent cycling

mattwnz

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#1628177 12-Sep-2016 21:09

scuwp:

I am not sure what I am missing here?

The headphones come with an adapter so the function is exactly the same as the current model. Just keep the adapter attached the the headphones and status quo remains.

One doesn't HAVE to buy the Airpods do they? There are a multitude of wireless headphones available on the market and in common use today, won't that continue to be the case and in fact likely that wireless will be redundant in the very near future?

Most cars I drive have bluetooth so no wires there.

Seems a lot of fuss over very little IMO, and a nod towards a wireless future. I am sure in very short order after market 'Airpods' will be on the market and they will be as common as earbuds are now, a simple and natural solution to the charge/play conundrum.

To answer the OP's question...absolutely. Wireless is the future, this is just a small step in that direction. Next to get rid of any jacks whatsoever. iPhone8 perhaps?

I wonder if wireless is really the future if it is proven that here are health issues caused by it. Even the health experts do say to limit your usage, esp with children, and Apples own terms and conditions do have warnings about RF usage.

This verson of iphone though has a major flaw, and that is that you can't charge it at the same time as listening to music via the headphones, and many peoples setups require this. It will likely be solved with the iphone 8 / AE, as that will have wireless chargng too, so there will be a free lightning port for the headphones. Not unless they also get rid of that, but that would create even bigger problems, as they need the lightning port for docks, and all other accessories that power it, including addon power packs. So I can't see them getting rid of the lightning port in the near future. That would need 'courage'.

I think Apple is beginning to walk a fine line in what they are doing, and losing touch with their customers. Which is why so many have moved to devices like the s7 and note. iOS 10 is an good example, it has all this 'fluff' feature in the software, such as larger emojis, and animated photo stories and animated messages, which people just don't really want. People use these things once or twice, and then never look at them again. The problem is that they are running out of things to do with the iphone, as it is already a mature technology. They have reached that too with the ipad. There is very little these days with technology that 'wows' me. Apples products used to, but these days it is just catchup stuff. They could do so much with the apple watch, but that too has become a fringe product,even though it does have the best quality screen out of all their devices.

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#1628178 12-Sep-2016 21:09

scuwp:

I am not sure what I am missing here?

The headphones come with an adapter so the function is exactly the same as the current model. Just keep the adapter attached the the headphones and status quo remains.

One doesn't HAVE to buy the Airpods do they? There are a multitude of wireless headphones available on the market and in common use today, won't that continue to be the case and in fact likely that wireless will be redundant in the very near future?

Most cars I drive have bluetooth so no wires there.

Seems a lot of fuss over very little IMO, and a nod towards a wireless future. I am sure in very short order after market 'Airpods' will be on the market and they will be as common as earbuds are now, a simple and natural solution to the charge/play conundrum.

To answer the OP's question...absolutely. Wireless is the future, this is just a small step in that direction. Next to get rid of any jacks whatsoever. iPhone8 perhaps?

Did you mean wireless will be ubiquitous?

I for one hope not, there are fundamental advantages to being wired - No confusion over whether your devices are paired, time spent setting it up, or interference with other nearby devices. Never dropping your headphones when its physically tethered to your pocket/shirt collar. Having music controls on the cable. Never, ever, running out of battery power on my headphones.

Besides which as others have already mentioned you can't charge your iPhone 7 and use your headphones at the same time.

New isn't necessarily better, and there is plenty of precedent in the history of tech (cough windows 8 cough)

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#1628185 12-Sep-2016 21:20

petes117:

Did you mean wireless will be ubiquitous?

I for one hope not, there are fundamental advantages to being wired - No confusion over whether your devices are paired, time spent setting it up, or interference with other nearby devices. Never dropping your headphones when its physically tethered to your pocket/shirt collar. Having music controls on the cable. Never, ever, running out of battery power on my headphones.

Besides which as others have already mentioned you can't charge your iPhone 7 and use your headphones at the same time.

New isn't necessarily better, and there is plenty of precedent in the history of tech (cough windows 8 cough)

I wonder how long before Apple consider the iphone itself, with a screen and battery, as being old tech. I mean we have had handsets as phones for over 100 years. Maybe they will start looking at optic implants, so you don't need any device at all, it is instead implanted in your head. Newer isn't always better, and that is why people have been going back to vinyl records, which apparently have purer quality of sound that isn't compressed like CD and MP3's are.

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#1628186 12-Sep-2016 21:20

The only time I use headphones is at work. At home I use either my ue boom or airplay to apple tv, my home theatre system also has bluetooth if I wanted to use that. In my car I I have bluetooth or the option to plug in via lightning and use "iPod mode" (no CarPlay). So I have no qualms with the removal of the headphone jack, the lightning EarPods will be fine for work (half the time they won't even be in my ears as everyone is wanting my help with there computer - downside to being the youngest in the office)

That being said the AirPods do look nice, but if I do get some wireless headphones I would probably look at the new BeatsX ones or some of the new sony ones - I like to be able to control music playback with my headphones.

scuwp

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#1628195 12-Sep-2016 21:50

petes117:

scuwp:

I am not sure what I am missing here?

The headphones come with an adapter so the function is exactly the same as the current model. Just keep the adapter attached the the headphones and status quo remains.

One doesn't HAVE to buy the Airpods do they? There are a multitude of wireless headphones available on the market and in common use today, won't that continue to be the case and in fact likely that wireless will be redundant in the very near future?

Most cars I drive have bluetooth so no wires there.

Seems a lot of fuss over very little IMO, and a nod towards a wireless future. I am sure in very short order after market 'Airpods' will be on the market and they will be as common as earbuds are now, a simple and natural solution to the charge/play conundrum.

To answer the OP's question...absolutely. Wireless is the future, this is just a small step in that direction. Next to get rid of any jacks whatsoever. iPhone8 perhaps?

Did you mean wireless will be ubiquitous?

I for one hope not, there are fundamental advantages to being wired - No confusion over whether your devices are paired, time spent setting it up, or interference with other nearby devices. Never dropping your headphones when its physically tethered to your pocket/shirt collar. Having music controls on the cable. Never, ever, running out of battery power on my headphones.

Besides which as others have already mentioned you can't charge your iPhone 7 and use your headphones at the same time.

New isn't necessarily better, and there is plenty of precedent in the history of tech (cough windows 8 cough)

I guess that's where my thoughts diverge slightly. I am not considering the current state (difficulty setting up, drop outs, interference, quality issues etc) but rather with the likely near future state where these issues are designed out of the equation, and yes contact-less everything becomes ubiquitous. There wont be any issues charging at the same time because no one will want wired headphones anymore (or wired chargers), music controls will be voice command or touch controlled, there will be a variety of wireless headphone options for all situations, including sports models for those that want more security against loss. Contact-less technology opens up a whole new world of possibilities.

Will it catch on? I don't know. Am I overly concerned about the removal of technology that's been around since the 60's? Nope. I can't think the last time I actually plugged something into the headphone jack, and I don't consider myself a tech fanboy with the latest and greatest.

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