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  Reply # 1628220 12-Sep-2016 22:17
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scuwp:

 

 

 

I guess that's where my thoughts diverge slightly.  I am not considering the current state (difficulty setting up, drop outs, interference, quality issues etc) but rather with the likely near future state where these issues are designed out of the equation, and yes contact-less everything becomes ubiquitous. There wont be any issues charging at the same time because no one will want wired headphones anymore (or wired chargers), music controls will be voice command or touch controlled, there will be a variety of wireless headphone options for all situations, including sports models for those that want more security against loss. Contact-less technology opens up a whole new world of possibilities.   

 

Will it catch on?  I don't know.  Am I overly concerned about the removal of technology that's been around since the 60's?  Nope.  I can't think the last time I actually plugged something into the headphone jack, and I don't consider myself a tech fanboy with the latest and greatest.   

 

 

Ah I see what you mean now... yes that future sounds nice. It will be interesting to see if Apple can take us there (despite some of us kicking and screaming no). To me it seems like a small step in that direction with too many downsides, as opposed to fixing a more pressing issue first, battery power, which also takes us a step closer to a wireless world and has no downsides at all. 

 

I'm sure it will catch on one day, there's no stopping progress... in the meantime the early adopters can beta test the future for the rest of us ;)


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  Reply # 1628222 12-Sep-2016 22:26
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Will be interesting if Samsung follows suit in the galaxy range next year. Ala removable batteries and no external memory

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  Reply # 1628296 13-Sep-2016 06:34
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scuwp:

 

I am not sure what I am missing here?

 

The headphones come with an adapter so the function is exactly the same as the current model. Just keep the adapter attached the the headphones and status quo remains.  

 

One doesn't HAVE to buy the Airpods do they?  There are a multitude of wireless headphones available on the market and in common use today, won't that continue to be the case and in fact likely that wireless will be redundant in the very near future?

 

Most cars I drive have bluetooth so no wires there.  

 

Seems a lot of fuss over very little IMO, and a nod towards a wireless future.  I am sure in very short order after market 'Airpods' will be on the market and they will be as common as earbuds are now, a simple and natural solution to the charge/play conundrum.    

 

To answer the OP's question...absolutely.  Wireless is the future, this is just a small step in that direction.  Next to get rid of any jacks whatsoever.  iPhone8 perhaps?  

 

 

 

 

Apple bashing, it is really tall poppy syndrome.

 

Apple have found a way to make more money... WOW how dare they.

 

There seems to be a lot of people who are justifying not buying an iPhone that were never going to buy one anyway.


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  Reply # 1628303 13-Sep-2016 07:15
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dickytim:

 

scuwp:

 

I am not sure what I am missing here?

 

The headphones come with an adapter so the function is exactly the same as the current model. Just keep the adapter attached the the headphones and status quo remains.  

 

One doesn't HAVE to buy the Airpods do they?  There are a multitude of wireless headphones available on the market and in common use today, won't that continue to be the case and in fact likely that wireless will be redundant in the very near future?

 

Most cars I drive have bluetooth so no wires there.  

 

Seems a lot of fuss over very little IMO, and a nod towards a wireless future.  I am sure in very short order after market 'Airpods' will be on the market and they will be as common as earbuds are now, a simple and natural solution to the charge/play conundrum.    

 

To answer the OP's question...absolutely.  Wireless is the future, this is just a small step in that direction.  Next to get rid of any jacks whatsoever.  iPhone8 perhaps?  

 

 

 

 

Apple bashing, it is really tall poppy syndrome.

 

Apple have found a way to make more money... WOW how dare they.

 

There seems to be a lot of people who are justifying not buying an iPhone that were never going to buy one anyway.

 

 

Thats what I think as well. Losing the jack isn't going to force users to change their lifestyle. The jack is still there, as lightning not 3.5. Adapter solves that shorter term issue, not 100% ideal, but also not worth more them a few seconds thought either. Cannot play and charge, but how often does that happen? never for me so far. Re battery that many seem to feel is poor, I find it very good on my 6 Plus. Playing music over BT uses little battery. Storm in a teacup if you ask me. 

 

This isn't drop cabled sound for wireless.


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  Reply # 1628328 13-Sep-2016 08:45
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dickytim:

 

Apple bashing, it is really tall poppy syndrome.

 

Apple have found a way to make more money... WOW how dare they.

 

There seems to be a lot of people who are justifying not buying an iPhone that were never going to buy one anyway.

 

 

I LIKE Apple. I have had several iPhone models, currently a 5S, and am in the market for an upgrade. But they're not perfect and do make mistakes, it's yet to be seen if this is one, but it either way it is a dealbreaker for many like me.

 

If Apple announced the iPhone 8 had a battery which lasted a week under constant use and a month while idle, would anyone complain? Imagine all those cables you would be able to pack away for occasional use


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  Reply # 1628882 13-Sep-2016 20:21
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You know, I've never used an apple (apart from eating) and probably never will.

 

I prefer to build computers from component parts. Eg my first one in the 80s used Eurobus connections ,  48K DRAM, 4kB Eprom, 2kB text video, Motorola 6809, 8kB Flex OS, and a reel to reel data storage system.  Ahhh! Those were the days.


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  Reply # 1628926 13-Sep-2016 21:05
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JPNZ: Will be interesting if Samsung follows suit in the galaxy range next year. Ala removable batteries and no external memory


They almost certainly won't remove it. If there was an alternative that was as good or better, then they should, but Bluetooth earphones have many negatives over wired. Apple users are already wondering how they are supposed to plug in their new lightning headphones into their MacBooks and iPhone docks which don't allow them to be plugged in. I don't think they should have included lightning headphones as they already have the dongle convertor. But they don't have a convertor dongle for lightning to 3.5.
I remember the old nokias that also have proprietary headphone connectors, and look at where Nokia have gone. Although they are phones where the battery lasts a good week.

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  Reply # 1628931 13-Sep-2016 21:14
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JPNZ: Will be interesting if Samsung follows suit in the galaxy range next year. Ala removable batteries and no external memory


They almost certainly won't remove it. If there was an alternative that was as good or better, then they should, but Bluetooth earphones have many negatives over wired. Apple users are already wondering how they are supposed to plug in their new lightning headphones into their MacBooks and iPhone docks which don't allow them to be plugged in. I don't think they should have included lightning headphones as they already have the dongle convertor. But they don't have a convertor dongle for lightning to 3.5.
I remember the old nokias that also have proprietary headphone connectors, and look at where Nokia have gone. Although they are phones where the battery lasts a good week.

 

Seriously?

 

Nokia's issue are well known, not driven into the ground by proprietary headphone connectors.

 

I dunno if most of this thread is anti Apple or what. If you want wired, little has changed. Dongle thats all. If you want wireless headphones/buds you can already get them.

 

Who in the Android world has no removable battery? And non upgradeable memory? I cant tell, but some have. Its a totally newsworthy item in todays Stuff world, but in reality its a non event, IMHO. Sure some users charge often while playing, but thats not typically the norm. Even then, third party dual plugs will be everywhere before you know it. Going from 30 pin to Lightning was a big deal, affects many 30 pin devices. But its old news now. And that was IMO newsworthy as it affected many potential add ons such as clocks, docks, etc. But there and gone.


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  Reply # 1628932 13-Sep-2016 21:15
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mattwnz:
JPNZ: Will be interesting if Samsung follows suit in the galaxy range next year. Ala removable batteries and no external memory


They almost certainly won't remove it. If there was an alternative that was as good or better, then they should, but Bluetooth earphones have many negatives over wired. Apple users are already wondering how they are supposed to plug in their new lightning headphones into their MacBooks and iPhone docks which don't allow them to be plugged in. I don't think they should have included lightning headphones as they already have the dongle convertor. But they don't have a convertor dongle for lightning to 3.5.
I remember the old nokias that also have proprietary headphone connectors, and look at where Nokia have gone. Although they are phones where the battery lasts a good week.

 

I don't think you can blame Nokia's demise on their proprietary headphone jacks.

 

On the other hand, if you make the iphone 7 out of toilet paper, you will get half the world worshiping it on their pedestals


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  Reply # 1628938 13-Sep-2016 21:23
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mattwnz:
JPNZ: Will be interesting if Samsung follows suit in the galaxy range next year. Ala removable batteries and no external memory


They almost certainly won't remove it. If there was an alternative that was as good or better, then they should, but Bluetooth earphones have many negatives over wired. Apple users are already wondering how they are supposed to plug in their new lightning headphones into their MacBooks and iPhone docks which don't allow them to be plugged in. I don't think they should have included lightning headphones as they already have the dongle convertor. But they don't have a convertor dongle for lightning to 3.5.
I remember the old nokias that also have proprietary headphone connectors, and look at where Nokia have gone. Although they are phones where the battery lasts a good week.

 

I don't think you can blame Nokia's demise on their proprietary headphone jacks.

 

On the other hand, if you make the iphone 7 out of toilet paper, you will get half the world worshiping it on their pedestals

 

 

LOL. OMG. Maybe you nailed it. Half the world! Or another way, 95% of profit for a device whose pricing is not dissimilar to Samsung, another top device. 

 

Yep we are back to Apple vs Android, I thought those days were gone burger.


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  Reply # 1628940 13-Sep-2016 21:24
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mattwnz:
JPNZ: Will be interesting if Samsung follows suit in the galaxy range next year. Ala removable batteries and no external memory


They almost certainly won't remove it. If there was an alternative that was as good or better, then they should, but Bluetooth earphones have many negatives over wired. Apple users are already wondering how they are supposed to plug in their new lightning headphones into their MacBooks and iPhone docks which don't allow them to be plugged in. I don't think they should have included lightning headphones as they already have the dongle convertor. But they don't have a convertor dongle for lightning to 3.5.
I remember the old nokias that also have proprietary headphone connectors, and look at where Nokia have gone. Although they are phones where the battery lasts a good week.

 

I don't think you can blame Nokia's demise on their proprietary headphone jacks.

 

On the other hand, if you make the iphone 7 out of toilet paper, you will get half the world worshiping it on their pedestals

 

 

Oh, but the toilet paper will be thinner and lighter, and insanely great!


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  Reply # 1628941 13-Sep-2016 21:27
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mattwnz:
JPNZ: Will be interesting if Samsung follows suit in the galaxy range next year. Ala removable batteries and no external memory


They almost certainly won't remove it. If there was an alternative that was as good or better, then they should, but Bluetooth earphones have many negatives over wired. Apple users are already wondering how they are supposed to plug in their new lightning headphones into their MacBooks and iPhone docks which don't allow them to be plugged in. I don't think they should have included lightning headphones as they already have the dongle convertor. But they don't have a convertor dongle for lightning to 3.5.
I remember the old nokias that also have proprietary headphone connectors, and look at where Nokia have gone. Although they are phones where the battery lasts a good week.


I don't think you can blame Nokia's demise on their proprietary headphone jacks.


On the other hand, if you make the iphone 7 out of toilet paper, you will get half the world worshiping it on their pedestals



No you can't. But you can blame it on Nokia doing their own thing and not watching what was going on around them with the competition. Eventually Nokia did start producing phones with generic audio jacks after the iPhone came out, but by that time they had a lot more competition on their hands. My first smartphone was a Nokia about 10 years ago,before the iPhone came out, so they should still be a major force. But even iPhone sales last year weren't good compared to previous years, because the competition are now producing better hardware that is more advanced, and people are moving to it. I see so many more people these days with galaxy devices than iPhones. It is sad to see because I like Apple and iOS. But it isn't cutting edge any more and moves that force changes on customers only makes customers look at alternatives. So it is important that the iPhone 8 beats all the competition in its technology, otherwise they are just going to be playing catchup like Nokia.

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joker97:

 

mattwnz:
JPNZ: Will be interesting if Samsung follows suit in the galaxy range next year. Ala removable batteries and no external memory


They almost certainly won't remove it. If there was an alternative that was as good or better, then they should, but Bluetooth earphones have many negatives over wired. Apple users are already wondering how they are supposed to plug in their new lightning headphones into their MacBooks and iPhone docks which don't allow them to be plugged in. I don't think they should have included lightning headphones as they already have the dongle convertor. But they don't have a convertor dongle for lightning to 3.5.
I remember the old nokias that also have proprietary headphone connectors, and look at where Nokia have gone. Although they are phones where the battery lasts a good week.

 

 

 

I don't think you can blame Nokia's demise on their proprietary headphone jacks.

 

 

 

On the other hand, if you make the iphone 7 out of toilet paper, you will get half the world worshiping it on their pedestals

 



No you can't. But you can blame it on Nokia doing their own thing and not watching what was going on around them with the competition. Eventually Nokia did start producing phones with generic audio jacks after the iPhone came out, but by that time they had a lot more competition on their hands. My first smartphone was a Nokia about 10 years ago,before the iPhone came out, so they should still be a major force. But even iPhone sales last year weren't good compared to previous years, because the competition are now producing better hardware that is more advanced, and people are moving to it. I see so many more people these days with galaxy devices than iPhones. It is sad to see because I like Apple and iOS. But it isn't cutting edge any more and moves that force changes on customers only makes customers look at alternatives. So it is important that the iPhone 8 beats all the competition in its technology, otherwise they are just going to be playing catchup like Nokia.

 

Nokia was king, by an extremely wide margin. Their issue was getting into the smartphone race when everybody else was well and truly established. Years and years later.

 

iPhone sales dropped, to be accurate, didn't they increase but at a reduced rate? In any case, thats an issue with smartphones in general. They are so mature, when there is no "my freaking god" feature, its tantamount to a fail. Incremental is all thats left. So, whats the point in re buying the same device that came out last year? Ive seen some on here say it looks the same as last years model. So they want style a change, yet they complain that Apple is all about hype. So ok to buy a new expensive phone that has case change?? Many of us, from both sides of the fence are over it. I don't upgrade my car every year as the bumpers are thinner or lighter or the battery is 5% bigger, that applies to any brand. Its the same fallacy that PC's are gone. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1628954 13-Sep-2016 21:50
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Let me preface my response with this. I have brought every major iPhone release since launch 3G, 4, 5, 6. So in no way could you call me an apple hater.

 

For me after a few months the lightening port becomes totally unreliable to the point where I would spend a few minutes every night blowing dust out of the port till I could get it to charge. I never once had to do this with 3.5mm jack.

 

I have a 30 Pin clock that I still use why because it is a good speaker and comes with a 3.5mm jack in the back.

 

A number of times now I have gone on holiday and realised after I'm at the airport that I have left my headphones at home in the rush to get out in those cases I just buy a cheap pair of headphones. They are usually rubbish but they work well enough. So now if I do that I have to buy a dongle + a pair of headphones or buy a cheap pair of bluetooth headphones that are usually more than a good pair of wired headphones.

 

So yes I think I will keep my 3.5mm jack.





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  Reply # 1628957 13-Sep-2016 21:54
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Got an email from Sony subject "no headphone jack? No worry!" Advertising their wireless headphones had a bit of a chuckle.

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