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  Reply # 1847042 15-Aug-2017 14:04
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I cant see many banks supporting Apple Pay being happy about having fingerprint switched for facial recognition, unless its super amazingly good.

 

Peoples faces change more than their fingerprints too. Wouldn't be much fun having a transaction denied after a big night out, having a hangover, looking worse for wear.

 

IMHO the solution is putting the fingerprint sensor on the back, like lots of android phones. None of the leaks/rumors currently entertain this idea.

 

 

 

 

Also what is to stop someone 3D printing a face, or doing a plaster cast. I can't really see it being more secure than a finger print sensor. Especially as peoples faces change over time.


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  Reply # 1847043 15-Aug-2017 14:05
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Dairyxox: IMHO the solution is putting the fingerprint sensor on the back, like lots of android phones. None of the leaks/rumors currently entertain this idea.

 

How do Android phones handle leaving the phone on the desk during the day? Do they use the motion sensor to detect whether it's moved? Or do you have to physically pick the phone up every time and put your finger on the sensor?


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1847073 15-Aug-2017 14:19
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Also what is to stop someone 3D printing a face, or doing a plaster cast. I can't really see it being more secure than a finger print sensor. Especially as peoples faces change over time.

 

 

Sure, but how are you gonna get the 3D data to create the "clone" , sneak in and scan them when they are asleep or not looking.

 

Facial Biometics are pretty good, (good enough for international travel with Smartgate)- they are also stable enough to use the same data over 10 year periods...- which is way longer than most people keep their phones...




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  Reply # 1847101 15-Aug-2017 14:54
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Putting it on the back is probably better than completely removing it, but if they do that then they should build it into the Apple logo that is already on the back.


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  Reply # 1847106 15-Aug-2017 15:02
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mattwnz:

 

Also what is to stop someone 3D printing a face, or doing a plaster cast. I can't really see it being more secure than a finger print sensor. Especially as peoples faces change over time.

 

 

Sure, but how are you gonna get the 3D data to create the "clone" , sneak in and scan them when they are asleep or not looking.

 

Facial Biometics are pretty good, (good enough for international travel with Smartgate)- they are also stable enough to use the same data over 10 year periods...- which is way longer than most people keep their phones...

 

 

If 3D scanning can be built into something the size of a phone, I am guessing that there will be products that will be able to create high quality 3D scans and prints as people simple walk by a camera, or series of cameras surrounding the person. If you look at apple maps, they can do it with buildings, and although still fairly low resolution and blocky, it is still reasonably good..


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  Reply # 1847107 15-Aug-2017 15:02
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Dairyxox: IMHO the solution is putting the fingerprint sensor on the back, like lots of android phones. None of the leaks/rumors currently entertain this idea.


How do Android phones handle leaving the phone on the desk during the day? Do they use the motion sensor to detect whether it's moved? Or do you have to physically pick the phone up every time and put your finger on the sensor?



Assuming you're talking about unlocking the phone then Android uses GPS to determine your location, so you can set your place of work or home as a "Trusted location" where it remains unlocked until you leave the area.

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  Reply # 1847108 15-Aug-2017 15:03
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Dairyxox:

 

I cant see many banks supporting Apple Pay being happy about having fingerprint switched for facial recognition, unless its super amazingly good.

 

Peoples faces change more than their fingerprints too. Wouldn't be much fun having a transaction denied after a big night out, having a hangover, looking worse for wear.

 

IMHO the solution is putting the fingerprint sensor on the back, like lots of android phones. None of the leaks/rumors currently entertain this idea.

 

 

 

 

For many older people, they can't use the finger print sensor on phones, because their fingerprints are so worn. APples touch Id doesn't work for either of my parents, and I have tried and tried to get it working for them.


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  Reply # 1847110 15-Aug-2017 15:07
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I think if Apple were to put the scanner on the back, why not utilise the Apple logo. That would look pretty cool

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  Reply # 1847133 15-Aug-2017 15:39
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I personally dont want the phone to get too complex as it will just add to its cost and make it unaffordable for most. I think the user interface needs modernisation together with screens like the new Galaxy...but dont see the need for facial recognition at this point.


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  Reply # 1847173 15-Aug-2017 16:35
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I personally dont want the phone to get too complex as it will just add to its cost and make it unaffordable for most. I think the user interface needs modernisation together with screens like the new Galaxy...but dont see the need for facial recognition at this point.

 

 

When you say 'unaffordable' many people get them on contract, so are paying a  monthly fee, so that seems generally 'affordable' to most it , judging by the number of people who I see sporting new iphones. For many it is also a laptop replacement. Also a lot more affordable than a house mortgage. If buying outright, then yes that can be an issue. Personally I don't think I would spend more than 1k on a phone.

 

The top model iphone (edition model)I can see being over $2000 in NZ, as it will be more expensive than the current models, as it is 'pro' model with the latest tech. The 7s or 8 that use the LCD screens I can see being around the current prices that the 7 is. Apple also keep their older models going, which drop in price, as they use older tech. Apple have to introduce new tech, otherwise they will die.

 

Samsung has been setting the benchmark, but I think the new full screen on the apple iphone will be a bit of a game changer, and you will see most new phones coming out with that sort of look. Not that there aren't already some full screen phones, but apple sets the trend.


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  Reply # 1847177 15-Aug-2017 16:41
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The top model iphone (edition model)I can see being over $2000 in NZ...

 

If this turns out to be correct it will be interesting to see how many units they manage to sell. I reluctantly spent $1600 on my 6S which I thought was a huge sum of money and to be fair I don't regret it because I've got a lot of use out of it, but that would be the absolute limit of what I would spend.


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  Reply # 1847179 15-Aug-2017 16:45
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Would this not be the same as windows hello. I use it on my surface pro and its fantastic and instant. Same sort of tech I would say.





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Sorry about the sizing, it's an image linked from elsewhere, not sure how to resize.

 


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alasta: The other problem with facial recognition is that it would be easy to circumvent. What's to stop someone else gaining access by showing the device a photo of you? 

 

Similar to this XKCD strip, the baddy would simply have to ask me what the time is and show me my phone. undecided


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  Reply # 1847313 15-Aug-2017 23:25
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mattwnz:

 

 

 

The top model iphone (edition model)I can see being over $2000 in NZ...

 

If this turns out to be correct it will be interesting to see how many units they manage to sell. I reluctantly spent $1600 on my 6S which I thought was a huge sum of money and to be fair I don't regret it because I've got a lot of use out of it, but that would be the absolute limit of what I would spend.

 

 

They will still sell many, as many will get them on contract, where they are paying them off every month with a plan.  As the supply will likely be limited initially due to hardware and screen shortages, they probably aren't going to be that worried if it doesn't sell as well as the 7s/8 model to begin with. But I do wonder how many people will actually want the 7s/8 with the LCD screen, when the OLED version is going to look potentially so much better and more modern.  


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