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  Reply # 1847336 16-Aug-2017 06:10
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mattwnz:

 

Dairyxox:

 

I cant see many banks supporting Apple Pay being happy about having fingerprint switched for facial recognition, unless its super amazingly good.

 

Peoples faces change more than their fingerprints too. Wouldn't be much fun having a transaction denied after a big night out, having a hangover, looking worse for wear.

 

IMHO the solution is putting the fingerprint sensor on the back, like lots of android phones. None of the leaks/rumors currently entertain this idea.

 

 

 

 

Also what is to stop someone 3D printing a face, or doing a plaster cast. I can't really see it being more secure than a finger print sensor. Especially as peoples faces change over time.

 

 

Wow, that is a hell of a lot of work and expense to just make a phone call from someone's phone!

 

I'm sure with the same kind on investment TouchID could be fooled too.





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  Reply # 1847338 16-Aug-2017 06:16
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mattwnz:

 

alasta:

 

mattwnz:

 

 

 

The top model iphone (edition model)I can see being over $2000 in NZ...

 

If this turns out to be correct it will be interesting to see how many units they manage to sell. I reluctantly spent $1600 on my 6S which I thought was a huge sum of money and to be fair I don't regret it because I've got a lot of use out of it, but that would be the absolute limit of what I would spend.

 

 

They will still sell many, as many will get them on contract, where they are paying them off every month with a plan.  As the supply will likely be limited initially due to hardware and screen shortages, they probably aren't going to be that worried if it doesn't sell as well as the 7s/8 model to begin with. But I do wonder how many people will actually want the 7s/8 with the LCD screen, when the OLED version is going to look potentially so much better and more modern.  

 

 

I purchased the Iphone7+ 128gb ($1629) yes it was on my plan and I am paying it off over 12 months. I plan on purchasing the iPhone8/Pro/Edition version and expect the similar model to be around $2,000.

 

When I purchased my iPhone6S+ outright it was the larger capacity at $1800, to me getting 128gb for less was a bonus, I am hoping there is some justification on the iPhone8 like that so hopefully a smaller storage option say 128gb vs 256gb vs 512gb puts the device closer to what I want to spend.





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  Reply # 1847403 16-Aug-2017 10:03
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mattwnz:

 

Pumpedd:

 

I personally dont want the phone to get too complex as it will just add to its cost and make it unaffordable for most. I think the user interface needs modernisation together with screens like the new Galaxy...but dont see the need for facial recognition at this point.

 

 

When you say 'unaffordable' many people get them on contract, so are paying a  monthly fee, so that seems generally 'affordable' to most it , judging by the number of people who I see sporting new iphones. For many it is also a laptop replacement. Also a lot more affordable than a house mortgage. If buying outright, then yes that can be an issue. Personally I don't think I would spend more than 1k on a phone.

 

The top model iphone (edition model)I can see being over $2000 in NZ, as it will be more expensive than the current models, as it is 'pro' model with the latest tech. The 7s or 8 that use the LCD screens I can see being around the current prices that the 7 is. Apple also keep their older models going, which drop in price, as they use older tech. Apple have to introduce new tech, otherwise they will die.

 

Samsung has been setting the benchmark, but I think the new full screen on the apple iphone will be a bit of a game changer, and you will see most new phones coming out with that sort of look. Not that there aren't already some full screen phones, but apple sets the trend.

 

 

 

 

Apple hasnt been setting the trend in phones for a while now....fact.


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  Reply # 1847471 16-Aug-2017 12:00
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Pumpedd:

 

mattwnz:

 

Pumpedd:

 

I personally dont want the phone to get too complex as it will just add to its cost and make it unaffordable for most. I think the user interface needs modernisation together with screens like the new Galaxy...but dont see the need for facial recognition at this point.

 

 

When you say 'unaffordable' many people get them on contract, so are paying a  monthly fee, so that seems generally 'affordable' to most it , judging by the number of people who I see sporting new iphones. For many it is also a laptop replacement. Also a lot more affordable than a house mortgage. If buying outright, then yes that can be an issue. Personally I don't think I would spend more than 1k on a phone.

 

The top model iphone (edition model)I can see being over $2000 in NZ, as it will be more expensive than the current models, as it is 'pro' model with the latest tech. The 7s or 8 that use the LCD screens I can see being around the current prices that the 7 is. Apple also keep their older models going, which drop in price, as they use older tech. Apple have to introduce new tech, otherwise they will die.

 

Samsung has been setting the benchmark, but I think the new full screen on the apple iphone will be a bit of a game changer, and you will see most new phones coming out with that sort of look. Not that there aren't already some full screen phones, but apple sets the trend.

 

 

 

 

Apple hasnt been setting the trend in phones for a while now....fact.

 

 

Please don't present a subjective comment as fact, it does nothing for you.





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  Reply # 1847490 16-Aug-2017 12:22
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dickytim:

 

Pumpedd:

 

mattwnz:

 

Pumpedd:

 

I personally dont want the phone to get too complex as it will just add to its cost and make it unaffordable for most. I think the user interface needs modernisation together with screens like the new Galaxy...but dont see the need for facial recognition at this point.

 

 

When you say 'unaffordable' many people get them on contract, so are paying a  monthly fee, so that seems generally 'affordable' to most it , judging by the number of people who I see sporting new iphones. For many it is also a laptop replacement. Also a lot more affordable than a house mortgage. If buying outright, then yes that can be an issue. Personally I don't think I would spend more than 1k on a phone.

 

The top model iphone (edition model)I can see being over $2000 in NZ, as it will be more expensive than the current models, as it is 'pro' model with the latest tech. The 7s or 8 that use the LCD screens I can see being around the current prices that the 7 is. Apple also keep their older models going, which drop in price, as they use older tech. Apple have to introduce new tech, otherwise they will die.

 

Samsung has been setting the benchmark, but I think the new full screen on the apple iphone will be a bit of a game changer, and you will see most new phones coming out with that sort of look. Not that there aren't already some full screen phones, but apple sets the trend.

 

 

 

 

Apple hasnt been setting the trend in phones for a while now....fact.

 

 

Please don't present a subjective comment as fact, it does nothing for you.

 

 

I am on a iphone 7 and generally have purchased most iphones outright on launch or as soon as possible after. I see nothing in my phone that is currently better than many competitors products. The camera is proven to NOT be the best on the market and we know their are better screens on competitors products. IOS is also feeling a little old and in need of a refresh like itunes. 

 

I (yes my opinion) will probably try the new Google Pixel when it releases later this year. The existing phone is already better then the iphone 7 in many respects.


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  Reply # 1847498 16-Aug-2017 12:26
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Pumpedd:

mattwnz:


Pumpedd:


I personally dont want the phone to get too complex as it will just add to its cost and make it unaffordable for most. I think the user interface needs modernisation together with screens like the new Galaxy...but dont see the need for facial recognition at this point.



When you say 'unaffordable' many people get them on contract, so are paying a  monthly fee, so that seems generally 'affordable' to most it , judging by the number of people who I see sporting new iphones. For many it is also a laptop replacement. Also a lot more affordable than a house mortgage. If buying outright, then yes that can be an issue. Personally I don't think I would spend more than 1k on a phone.


The top model iphone (edition model)I can see being over $2000 in NZ, as it will be more expensive than the current models, as it is 'pro' model with the latest tech. The 7s or 8 that use the LCD screens I can see being around the current prices that the 7 is. Apple also keep their older models going, which drop in price, as they use older tech. Apple have to introduce new tech, otherwise they will die.


Samsung has been setting the benchmark, but I think the new full screen on the apple iphone will be a bit of a game changer, and you will see most new phones coming out with that sort of look. Not that there aren't already some full screen phones, but apple sets the trend.



 


Apple hasnt been setting the trend in phones for a while now....fact.



In design they still do, but the iPhone has been falling behind in technology and things like screen ratio. But this new iPhone edition model will set a new benchmark, as even Samsung phones don't have total edge to edge screens on all sides.

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  Reply # 1847501 16-Aug-2017 12:29
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Pumpedd:

dickytim:


Pumpedd:


mattwnz:


Pumpedd:


I personally dont want the phone to get too complex as it will just add to its cost and make it unaffordable for most. I think the user interface needs modernisation together with screens like the new Galaxy...but dont see the need for facial recognition at this point.



When you say 'unaffordable' many people get them on contract, so are paying a  monthly fee, so that seems generally 'affordable' to most it , judging by the number of people who I see sporting new iphones. For many it is also a laptop replacement. Also a lot more affordable than a house mortgage. If buying outright, then yes that can be an issue. Personally I don't think I would spend more than 1k on a phone.


The top model iphone (edition model)I can see being over $2000 in NZ, as it will be more expensive than the current models, as it is 'pro' model with the latest tech. The 7s or 8 that use the LCD screens I can see being around the current prices that the 7 is. Apple also keep their older models going, which drop in price, as they use older tech. Apple have to introduce new tech, otherwise they will die.


Samsung has been setting the benchmark, but I think the new full screen on the apple iphone will be a bit of a game changer, and you will see most new phones coming out with that sort of look. Not that there aren't already some full screen phones, but apple sets the trend.



 


Apple hasnt been setting the trend in phones for a while now....fact.



Please don't present a subjective comment as fact, it does nothing for you.



I am on a iphone 7 and generally have purchased most iphones outright on launch or as soon as possible after. I see nothing in my phone that is currently better than many competitors products. The camera is proven to NOT be the best on the market and we know their are better screens on competitors products. IOS is also feeling a little old and in need of a refresh like itunes. 


I (yes my opinion) will probably try the new Google Pixel when it releases later this year. The existing phone is already better then the iphone 7 in many respects.



The thing about Apple is they provide iOS support for many years, unlike my experience with other brand. So yes you may pay more but iOS on it maybe supported up to 5 years in some cases! This means the iPhone can last many years.

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  Reply # 1847617 16-Aug-2017 15:05
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dickytim:

 

mattwnz:

 

 

 

Also what is to stop someone 3D printing a face, or doing a plaster cast. I can't really see it being more secure than a finger print sensor. Especially as peoples faces change over time.

 

 

Wow, that is a hell of a lot of work and expense to just make a phone call from someone's phone!

 

I'm sure with the same kind on investment TouchID could be fooled too.

 

 

The risk is not someone else making a call on your phone; it's the possibility of them accessing confidential information on it or maliciously deleting data off iCloud.


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  Reply # 1847859 17-Aug-2017 07:01
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i don't care about touch id, if they can make the bezel as thin as possible that would be good.


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  Reply # 1847863 17-Aug-2017 07:19
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Trend does not equal innovation.

 

So on the statement of Apple not setting Trends, I respectfully disagree.





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  Reply # 1848350 18-Aug-2017 09:22
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I think if I were designing a phone today I would look biometrics, but I think it would be a mistake to remove the tactility provided by the buttons on the phone. I would suggest that buttons give a level of feedback that affects emotion much more than a flat surface.

Unless there has been an improvement in screen capability, I probably wouldnt at this point in time consider putting fingerprint reading capability into the screen as adding an IR layer intruduces a cost/complexity issue.




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  Reply # 1848422 18-Aug-2017 10:46
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Innovation is great as long as it is affordable....imo the top smart phones will start hitting a barrier soon where consumers think they are not worth the price.


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  Reply # 1857488 3-Sep-2017 09:41
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alasta:

 

mattwnz:

 

 

 

The top model iphone (edition model)I can see being over $2000 in NZ...

 

If this turns out to be correct it will be interesting to see how many units they manage to sell. I reluctantly spent $1600 on my 6S which I thought was a huge sum of money and to be fair I don't regret it because I've got a lot of use out of it, but that would be the absolute limit of what I would spend.

 

 

Im looking at  a new lawnmower, $1600. Ridiculous to spend that much on a lawnmower! Doesnt even have a catcher! A phone for $2000, thats insane. 


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  Reply # 1857496 3-Sep-2017 09:55
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Innovation is great as long as it is affordable....imo the top smart phones will start hitting a barrier soon where consumers think they are not worth the price.

 

 

It sure will. But they got that covered as we can buy a new phone interest free, nothing down, $X a month on the bill. If that wasnt the case, the sales would have to drop a lot. Its a bit like house prices, interest is low, I can pay more. Interest free on a  phone allows me to pay a stupid price and it wont bite me. 

 

I used to buy every one from 4S, outright. Ive lost that mojo with them now, its just a phone. I got my 6+ on interest free, if the 8 is great, I might do that again, and keep it for ages. I think there will be more people "keeping it for ages" than there has been before, maybe thats already the case. Maybe they are going to do more innovation and less incremental from now on? But they are so mature that itself is hard.


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  Reply # 1857497 3-Sep-2017 09:58
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When the iphone 4 was sold, it was half price at vodafone if you signed up for a $29 plan for 2 years, and it came with 3GB data! (about 2.9GB more than normal plans at that time)


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