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Topic # 226146 22-Dec-2017 18:32
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So the cat is out of the bag re Apple slowing down older phones. Not an owner myself but wondered what those who do own an older device thinks about this.

 

 

 

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/12/21/apple-lawsuit-slowing-down-old-iphone-models/





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  Reply # 1923739 22-Dec-2017 18:35
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Another tactic to encourage you to replace your tech with newer stuff.


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  Reply # 1923742 22-Dec-2017 18:36
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Apple's reason for doing this is beyond eh... "interesting" to say the least handicapping a device that previously was working fine to preserve "experience"





 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1923745 22-Dec-2017 18:54
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Slowing the processor isn't an altogether bad way of enhancing battery life, but the total lack of transparency or visibility seems pretty poor ethically. Planned obsolescence is a fairly natural conclusion to draw.

 

If this was a visible user selectable option in the settings (such as what used to be on Apple Powerbooks a number of years ago) to prolong battery life by reducing processor performance it would be no problem, and probably a useful option to have.


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  Reply # 1923747 22-Dec-2017 18:59
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RunningMan:

 

Slowing the processor isn't an altogether bad way of enhancing battery life, but the total lack of transparency or visibility seems pretty poor ethically. Planned obsolescence is a fairly natural conclusion to draw.

 

If this was a visible user selectable option in the settings (such as what used to be on Apple Powerbooks a number of years ago) to prolong battery life by reducing processor performance it would be no problem, and probably a useful option to have.

 

 

yea i think most people would agree if apple was more transparent about it and didnt try hide it from the consumer they wouldnt have an issue with it or had the option to turn it off.





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  Reply # 1923749 22-Dec-2017 19:06
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Yup as I had always suspected and whinged about. Are we able to join the class action?

Also, does the phone only slow down when the battery is worn, or before?

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  Reply # 1923753 22-Dec-2017 19:28
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Batman: Yup as I had always suspected and whinged about. Are we able to join the class action?

Also, does the phone only slow down when the battery is worn, or before?

 

Supposedly it only slows down once the battery is 'worn'.

 

What that threshold is for 'WORN', is not known. 

 

I have an iPhone 6 that's been through 2 batteries in 3.5 years, and I never witnessed speed issues as I was trying to cope with a munted battery. One of mine batteries got to 45% max capacity, which was effectively a useless phone.

 

I really think any action is a proxy for 'why are batteries so rubbish on smartphones, and let's get money from Apple because Apple'.

 

Whatever the science is, the consumer sentiment is one of disgust - Apple never made official repairs cheap, and the growth in the 3rd party battery market is evidence of that.

 

Should be interesting to watch.





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  Reply # 1923775 22-Dec-2017 20:32
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Apple class an iPhone battery as worn / consumed once it has passed 500 charge cycles.
At that point it can only hold about 80% of its original power.

My iPhone 7 Plus that I just sold, after owning for exactly one year, had done about 190 charge cycles.




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  Reply # 1923780 22-Dec-2017 20:45
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CYaBro: Apple class an iPhone battery as worn / consumed once it has passed 500 charge cycles.
At that point it can only hold about 80% of its original power.

My iPhone 7 Plus that I just sold, after owning for exactly one year, had done about 190 charge cycles.

 

I was a rabid Apple Fanboy. Over it. However, my 6+ (3yo?) is fine. Runs fine. Charges fine. I got a new iPhone EVERY year. I could have a new X now as my wifes plan allows that, but she's gone way to see parents, Im in no rush. 

 

But I get the sentiment

 

I have an Oct 2013 MBP, 512GB SSD. It starts and runs like the day I got it. Now I dpnt hate Windows, Ive had that since 3.11, and I use Windows at work, but the MBP/OSX is great. I haven't gone from 23 processes to 83, same with CPU usage. With that, I'm fine with Apple 


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  Reply # 1923814 23-Dec-2017 00:06
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To me the "slow down" is a non issue. They have capped the CPU for high loads, which isn't the typical use for an iPhone anyway.

 

AND, I would much rather my phone get ever so slightly slower than it crashing all the time.  Because that is their stated reason for doing it.

 

I have experienced the problem they have solved in the latest iOS updates: Phone with older or worn battery, low temperatures and high CPU load: The phone does a hard reboot. NOT fun.

 

 

 

If enough people have a problem with it, I think Apple should add an option to turn that off. With a text like "I don't want the CPU to be managed and I am fine with my phone just randomly hard rebooting".





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  Reply # 1923822 23-Dec-2017 00:40
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CYaBro: Apple class an iPhone battery as worn / consumed once it has passed 500 charge cycles.
At that point it can only hold about 80% of its original power.

My iPhone 7 Plus that I just sold, after owning for exactly one year, had done about 190 charge cycles.

 

 

 

Guessing the cycles would be far higher on smaller iphones such as the 5s and se. I charge mine every day for the last couple of  years since I have had it, so would have exceeded 500 cycles. However there is no mention of these models being affected, only the 6 and 6s, but I have noticed slowdown with ios 11 especially. The problem is that apple provides no way to disable ios updates, they will always download and then nag you, and then it trys to autoinstall it during the night. I have tried to use the apple TV profile trickwhich is supposed to block the update to ios 11.2.1, but it still downlaods. I could put an exception in my router to block the update server, but I have other ios devices that I still want to receive updates. The is not much worse with technology products, than laggyness.


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  Reply # 1923903 23-Dec-2017 08:30
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It is my understanding that the slow down is based on the age of the battery rather than the device, so it would seem that the rational is genuine but as others have pointed out it was probably badly handed from a PR perspective.

 

There are lots of things that annoy me about my Apple products, but this isn't one of them.


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  Reply # 1923905 23-Dec-2017 08:34
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RunningMan:

 

Slowing the processor isn't an altogether bad way of enhancing battery life, but the total lack of transparency or visibility seems pretty poor ethically.

 

 

Apple are the most unethical company you can get, you just need to watch a few Louis Rossmann videos on Youtube to learn this in better detail.


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  Reply # 1923931 23-Dec-2017 08:58
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If Apple were serious about "helping" us with older phones it would be a setting we could choose to use. Apple this is a disgraceful lack of transparency. These phones are now almost $2k and this isnt good enough.


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Reply # 1923933 23-Dec-2017 09:04
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lNomNoml:

 

RunningMan:

 

Slowing the processor isn't an altogether bad way of enhancing battery life, but the total lack of transparency or visibility seems pretty poor ethically.

 

 

Apple are the most unethical company you can get, you just need to watch a few Louis Rossmann videos on Youtube to learn this in better detail.

 

 

I don't think they are the "most", but yes, I agree, they are up there. With all their billions of profits, some of the things they do are truly disgraceful. They have the money to be both the most innovative and most ethical. Unfortunately, neither is true. 

 

I wasn't surprised that certain people made certain comments in their defense. Some people will forgive companies anything. 

 

 


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