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Topic # 23123 19-Jun-2008 00:00
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So - Iphone 3G brings a big crunchy decision for me:

- I have a friend with the first Iphone.... taxi driver / Indian software freak come genius / good guy dude, and his Iphone struck me as great relative to what I do. I especilly liked the business stuff it could do for me, viz:

- faster start up than than the tedious boot up on my laptop - which is a pretty smart and new one but with Vista etc, life is slower than turning on the phone. My man can look at instant email at the brush of a finger!
- access it seems to almost all the standard Microsoft software (Office stuff) and a keyboard you might use (the Samsung is oh so clunky even if I can roam when in Sing and KL etc)

- Iphone 3G looks even better and at a way competitive price so I need to decide... here's why its tough:

I have a great Telecom bundle of services - and despite what many say these guys have been great over many years - fixed line, faxability, mobile, mobile broadband, among the very first broadband users was I, etc... and no complaints. CDMA looks like being replaced by GSM come November and maybe some offerings which might match the Apple Iphone - or not.

Iphone 3G means a new network, some smart people but right into "pink" and fashion which ain't me... is the network going to work so we can really milk the features? Are they sufficiently geeky here to really chase the product hard and make it hum? T/com sure get heaps out of very basic stuff in terms of functionality - which is what counts to us cashflow freaks.

So the decision criteria look like:

1. ability to do a large number of Microsoft based chores (Office). Can it? Will it improve on what I have?

2. ability to replicate Outlook 2007 ???? I have seen talk of Microsoft exchange but I don't "do" servers in my business. I do make Outlook 2007 really grunt - and if you know how, you can make it it do great things for your business.

3. reliability of the network nationwide... are we nearly there yet Dad? I don't do Sex and the City - I do do business.

4. at least as good phone capability as a 17 year old? i.e. predictive with add to dictionery and contact sync with Outlook and the bells and whistles.

5. am I losing by compromising my service across two providers. Money probably but if there are benefits it isn't an issue.

6. All and I mean all my business is heavily electronic and heavily Microsoft - will this venture into MAC space create problems?

So I am trying to figure what things to take into account - then track down the answers.

Thanks for any comments on any of this as I try to figure a good way to make a quality decision.
Brent

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  Reply # 139113 19-Jun-2008 08:33
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It is a great consumer device but I think you will notice that its on screen keyboard is not the most suitable for office work - unless you are talking about short e-mails.

Also I don't think you will have the same functionality as any Office application. At least not until a native application shows up or unless you use a web-based alternative - which requires you migrating all your documents to the web-based application first.

I am moving this to the Mac OS X Mobile forum which is more appropriate for discussions on the iPhone.








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  Reply # 139117 19-Jun-2008 09:04
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Many thanks for thoise points - they help. Also apologies for posting in the wrong place - it gets a little confusing at time, well for me anyway!

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  Reply # 139281 20-Jun-2008 00:42
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Freitasm is right - the keyboard is really not good for anything but very brief emails and texts. And unfortunately there are no external KBs available.

Also the OFfice application support is almost non-existent apart from a couple of 3rd party apps. As a business phone its really only suitable/efficient for email checking unfortunately.



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  Reply # 139304 20-Jun-2008 08:37
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Thank you - I guess in that case, the I[phone is unlikely to see off the Blackberry.

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  Reply # 139695 22-Jun-2008 12:03
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I ignored the Gen 1 iPhone due to expense (no way I could afford that) and lukewarm reviews (for the reviewers actually prepared to call a spade a spade). The price tag of the Gen 2 has me interested again.

I discovered that a friend got an iPhone recently, and in having a play with it, I was actually appalled that there was no stylus. I later learned that the philosophy behind this was that the iPhone had such an advanced touchscreen that a stylus was no longer necessary.

BS. I only have semi-fat fingers, and typing was awful. Furthermore, you can't rotate the screen to bring up a landscape keyboard, which would have offered more space . Surely this will be fixed in later firmware.

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Reply # 139696 22-Jun-2008 12:06
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ahmad: Furthermore, you can't rotate the screen to bring up a landscape keyboard, which would have offered more space . Surely this will be fixed in later firmware.


You have to rotate the screen then bring up the keyboard. If the keyboard is on the screen already it won't rotate. FAIL.




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  Reply # 139713 22-Jun-2008 14:11
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Yeah but this only works in Safari. You still can't use landscape keyboard in texts, notes and the mail application unfortunately. It does work through Google's iPhone Gmail site however.


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  Reply # 139741 22-Jun-2008 16:13
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Thelonious:

Iphone 3G means a new network, some smart people but right into "pink" and fashion which ain't me...

I don't do Sex and the City - I do do business.

LOL, what the hell? All Vodafone users wear pink, are into fashion, and watch chick flicks? I'd love to know how you came to such a staggering conclusion...






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  Reply # 139743 22-Jun-2008 16:21
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Just a sweeping generalisation to keep you on your toes!!!  Some of my best friends etc etc. Of course you are right.

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  Reply # 139749 22-Jun-2008 16:35
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I have to say that having used 4 different BlackBerries - from the thin 7130 to the Curve, with a 7600 and 8707v in between, the iPhone keyboard has surpassed my expectations.  I am a heavy emailer from my phone, and a bit of an smser - i have run into no issues using my keyboard for long winded messages.  I find the method for moving your cursor around (the magnifying glass) to be extremely useful - a lot more so than the scroll wheel and ball on the BB's. 

I also use it to create appointments and notes - regularly.  It works well for me, and I have no complaints.  I do prefer the touch method than the tactile keyboard that's for sure.

So +1 for the iPhone from me



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  Reply # 139751 22-Jun-2008 16:42
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Ok - that's helpful too. I must say I was impressed when I saw the fist gen iPhone.... it looked good, resolution was very good and the navigation was a synch... but I always find people on here turn up stuff I would never think of... so its always worth asking.

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  Reply # 139761 22-Jun-2008 17:03
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For what it's worth, I also find the iPhone's keyboard extremely easy to use after a bit of practice... Honestly mate, get your mits on one and give it a spin. Nothing beats first-hand experience!




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  Reply # 139993 23-Jun-2008 18:08
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I've found new users of the IPhone absolutely fall in love with it. However the honeymoon is short-lived and most realise its shortfalls relatively quickly. There are many issues that Apple needs to fix in the 3G version if it's to be taken seriously by anything other than fashion-conscious teenagers; foremost though by no means limited to its outrageous copy-protection. The only method at present to utilise the device properly is to hack (or 'jailbreak') the software which allows for a host of much-needed features that should have been enabled by default.

As a cautionary word of advice, and please don't quote me on this, Vodafone has been talking about keeping the IPhone price at around $999 for standard retail though they are toying with the notion to disallow sale without contract. They will have some better-than-usual specials for signing onto a contract however. Parallel importing will be much less of a threat due to the requirement in most countries to sign a term contract to purchase - supplemented with contract-signing via ITunes for respective countries and locations.

I urge anyone thinking about buying an IPhone to 1) Use one yourself and test out each feature you would commonly use and 2) Talk to someone who has owned one for a substantial amount of time - preferably someone in your own age bracket :-)



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  Reply # 140008 23-Jun-2008 19:14
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Thanks Joe.... that adds some new twists
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