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  Reply # 2166804 24-Jan-2019 11:27
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His iPhone was in a "drop proof/waterproof" case as well...fell onto our kitchen ceramic tiles from a low height. 





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  Reply # 2166838 24-Jan-2019 11:33
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Now, how about these students with 1-2k phones, but can't afford a car or text books.

 

 

I do think this sector - younger people say under 30 - is one area of the market that is terribly driven by fashion, popularity and the need to be seen with the 'right' phone, and this inevitably needs to be an iPhone.

 

While there are some relatively affordable iPhones available, I'm still surprised at how many students (including high school students) have more expensive models. And many of those who don't have an iPhone are hanging out for the day they get one...

 

It'll e interesting to see stats on the breakdown of ownership by age/grouping, and over time - I'm betting that these stratospheric prices for the top iPhones are meaning that more of this younger cohort are settling for something lower down the chain (but assumingly still an iPhone).


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2166839 24-Jan-2019 11:38
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When my wife toilet dunked her phone I gave her my then 6 month old Note 8 and I purchased a One Plus 6 on special for $800. The only thing I really miss is the stylus and note taking which mywife uses extensively at work. The One Plus does everything I need and does it well and nearly half the price of the Note8. I have used


 


iPhones in the past as I am a Mac user, the interoperability of iPhone and Mac is great but IOS frustrated me a lot especially maps. Apple Photos is definately superior to Google Photos and Windows 10 awful Photos App. The bottom line for me was I do not see value at all in spending $1500 to $2000+ on a phone and I believe 


 


Apple will kep pushing the price until there is a consumer backlash.




Google photo give you unlimited hd photo storage compare to iOS cloud that's one big plus (and no I dont believe or worry about Google stealing my photos)


in low resolution only



The resolution seems completely adequate to me.

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  Reply # 2166840 24-Jan-2019 11:43
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Given your undying love for Android, or undying hate for Apple, I am sure everything is reasonable if you "need" it to be

 

You seem to be more emotionally invested than anyone here by a wide margin.


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  Reply # 2166843 24-Jan-2019 11:54
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I do have two iPads and a MacBook Pro contrary to your assumption. Again I'm not a huge photography enthusiast and I couldn't tell the difference between a dxo mark 90 and 100 camera.


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  Reply # 2166860 24-Jan-2019 12:14
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I have twice attempted to use an Android phone and both times the experience have left me very disappointed. One was a low end phone which is probably not the best example, but the other one was a high end phone with a price comparable to the most expensive iPhone at the time. I had high hopes for Android when it started but having switched between both Android and IOS, I have come to the conclusion the iOS experience is vastly superior to Android. Since iPhone 5s I've stuck with iPhones and am a current iPhone 8 Plus owner.

 

Over the years I have also become disillusioned with Google and given they control the Android ecosystem I am even less likely to go down the Android route again. Pretty much the only Google service I use on a regular basis is Google Maps—everything else has been migrated to other services. So there is really no benefit for me going to Android as I would have to replace most of the stock apps with apps compatible with the services I use. Some of the apps I would have to use are paid ones. In contrast Apple's stock apps for the most part work fine with standard protocols (e.g. Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc all work over standard protocols with my mail provider).

 

Manufactures stopping updates within a year is really poor form too. The high end phone I mentioned earlier had an update pushed out that was so buggy (even worse than the original update it replaced). It took 6 months for the manufacturer/carrier to push out a new update that fixed the bugs (but even that introduced new bugs which I later learned were never ever fixed). That was for me the final straw for Android.

 

Switched to Apple and even though they do occasionally push out buggy updates, they are usually pretty good at fixing the bugs and pushing out an update that fixes the bugs very soon after. This is why I value software updates so much—it can make or break my experience with a phone. Apple also does a very good job at backporting new features back to older phones to the point when I had my 5s I noticed I had access to much of the same new features available on the 6 and 7 which made my 5s a great phone as there was no need to replace it for a long time.

 

I was quite disappointed when Microsoft exited the smartphone market as I saw them as a possible alternative should Apple change directions in a way that I'm not happy with. They were more or less my insurance policy should Apple stuff it up. But that's gone by the wayside now...

 

However I agree Apple's pricing strategy is a bit silly. It just makes me think I'm better off sticking with my 8 until it dies (or Apple stops pushing out updates for it which is, based on past experience, gonna be a few years down the road). My next iPhone may well not be the most expensive model but perhaps one of the mid-range models. Or perhaps I might just go back to a 3310...!


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  Reply # 2166979 24-Jan-2019 14:49
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I'd be tempted to buy a Samsung phone if Samsung didn't have a tendency to throw customers under the bus 12 months after launching their products along with actually delivering security updates on time - they still haven't delivered Android Pie to devices in New Zealand. When a vendor treats their customers with such disregard I have to ask why anyone would have such loyalty to such a company.

 

My S7, nearly 3 years old, is running Android Oreo with a September 2018 security patch. From a functionality level, there's sod all between the latest S9 and my 3-year old S7. I'd pick that 9 out of 10 Android users could even tell the functionality difference between Oreo and Pie.

 

And, similarly, most iPhone users couldn't tell you what tangible improvements the latest iOS update offered over the previous.

 

Geeks obsess over version upgrades (Android & iOS) but in reality there is very little of substance for the average user these days between version upgrades. When I upgrade to a S10 next month, the user experience will feel very similar to my 3-year old S7.

 

So paying a massive 'Apple premium' for more regular updates over Android is not really a great value for money proposition for your average phone user.

 

The new features are the least of my concerns (new versions of Android are always nice in terms of performance improvements etc not they're not critical IMHO for me to enjoy using a device) - it is the slow security updates that trouble me. Your device is 4 months behind in terms of security updates and that is considered 'normal' or 'acceptable'? Google want me to dump more of my personal information on something that the hardware vendors cannot promptly provide updates for? The whole 'project treble' was meant to address the issue of slow updates and upgrades (but my focus is updates not upgrades) but they're just as slow as the pre-treble days.





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  Reply # 2166985 24-Jan-2019 15:04
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matisyahu:

 

The new features are the least of my concerns (new versions of Android are always nice in terms of performance improvements etc not they're not critical IMHO for me to enjoy using a device) - it is the slow security updates that trouble me. Your device is 4 months behind in terms of security updates and that is considered 'normal' or 'acceptable'? Google want me to dump more of my personal information on something that the hardware vendors cannot promptly provide updates for? The whole 'project treble' was meant to address the issue of slow updates and upgrades (but my focus is updates not upgrades) but they're just as slow as the pre-treble days.

 

 

 

 

There are companies with Windows PCs that haven't received Windows Updates for 6+ months due to their "IT policy".

 

Does it suck that a lot of Android manufactures dont update their devices that often or at all? Yes. 

 

Does the lack of security update materially impact user's experience? No, I'd say most users probably don't even care about it and having to reboot their devices due to frequent update is more of an annoyance to them.

 

 

 

Pretty much all Android vulnerabilities arises from rogue apps due to lack of policing on Google Play or unauthorized 3rd party stores. Having the latest security update won't help you much in these cases.


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  Reply # 2167011 24-Jan-2019 15:51
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I've lost almost all interest in mobiles, funnily enough as they've got more and more powerful. I went through the Nokia phase, N95/N900/N8, 1020, Android S3/4, a few Notes, and LG G4 which I'm still using and for work, iPhone 4s, 5, and currently 6S and 8+ .

 

I'm biased towards Android, our work phones are pretty locked down, but even little things like deleting an icon off the homescreen of my iPhone I couldn't do. Obviously I should look up how to do it, but I couldn't get the press duration or whatever it was correct. The stock keyboards are frustrating as is the sameness of the icons. I barely change the ringtones or even the screen saver, they really are wasted on us for work in a way, we simply email and call. Almost nothing else. Again, these probably aren't Apple specific things, I'm just too lazy or prevented by work from doing anything more interesting on them.

 

And the bang for buck for high end phones doesn't seem to hold up. My G4 which is several years old, records in 4K, takes ok pictures, and is still quite snappy to use. 


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  Reply # 2167014 24-Jan-2019 15:58
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my main issue with older mobile phone, is that while they are perfectly functional, they do not provide optimal coverage for my needs as every time these telcos upgrade their towers you need a new mobile phone with the correct "band".





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  Reply # 2167019 24-Jan-2019 16:18
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my main issue with older mobile phone, is that while they are perfectly functional, they do not provide optimal coverage for my needs as every time these telcos upgrade their towers you need a new mobile phone with the correct "band".

 

 

It's been ages since I've looked at bands. Don't most phones have all the bands that are required? Mine occasionally says 4G+. No idea what the means over normal 4G.

 

Edit. I realise some imports won't. 


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  Reply # 2167020 24-Jan-2019 16:22
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When my wife's phone can watch YouTube and mine can't load email, it's time to get a new phone.




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  Reply # 2167021 24-Jan-2019 16:24
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my main issue with older mobile phone, is that while they are perfectly functional, they do not provide optimal coverage for my needs as every time these telcos upgrade their towers you need a new mobile phone with the correct "band".



It's been ages since I've looked at bands. Don't most phones have all that are required? Mine occasionally says 4G+. No idea what the means over normal 4G.



In urban areas is fine as telcos use multiple bands in densely populated places. But that's not the case, as I keep finding out, in certain areas that i frequent!




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  Reply # 2167022 24-Jan-2019 16:27
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Batman:

 

my main issue with older mobile phone, is that while they are perfectly functional, they do not provide optimal coverage for my needs as every time these telcos upgrade their towers you need a new mobile phone with the correct "band".

 

 

This is another area where Apple has an advantage. To access all LTE bands in use in NZ you just need a iPhone made in the last few years or so.

 

I believe all models since the iPhone 6 supports all the bands in use by 2deg/Spark/Vodafone (but happy to stand corrected on that statement).

 

At least for 2degrees, you just need bands 3, 8 and 28 which is all fully supported by the iPhone 6 which was first released in September 2014 (over four years ago).

 

With Android phones, it's all over the place—especially when it comes to the low end and parallel imported models. For some it could be worth paying the Apple premium just to ensure you get access to a wide range of LTE bands so you don't get stuck on 2G/3G.


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  Reply # 2167023 24-Jan-2019 16:28
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Ah ok. I have five devices with me for work. All on Vodafone, so if there's no signal on a device, then there's no signal on any of them!


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