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richms
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  #2615916 3-Dec-2020 23:00
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I am not aware of any other supplier of apple goods other than apple themselves.





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  #2615942 4-Dec-2020 02:01
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Dial111:
mattwnz: Currently have a samsung note, and the battery life on that is fantastic. Get two full days of good use out of it between charges.


OT to the original subject of this thread but I'm currently using a Note 20 Ultra and as I type this my battery is at 46% and I've only picked up my phone a handful of times today to send a couple of messages and take a few quick calls. Battery came off full charge at 7am this morning.

I don't think poor batteries are tied to one manufacturer, and I firmly believe Apple has better battery optimization when it comes to standby whereas Android phones in my experience are battery hogs probably due to background processes eating away at the battery.

If it wasn't for super fast charging I'd dump this phone purely on battery life otherwise its a good phone but battery life is at the top of my list when shopping and I find iPhones last longer when on standby.
OT: Mid 80% is pretty bad.

The problem seem to be the way the phone handles voltage during higher power draw from newer cpus at the time.

Say a new battery will have a voltage of around 3.75v @ 50% charge, but after a bunch of cycles the battery degrades or has dendrites in them and now the '50%' charge is at 3.5v. And when run the soc at full tilt with a degraded battery, the voltage depresses further during heavy current draw and it drops down to the 3.1v or some cutoff of 'low battery'/shutoff thresh hold and shuts down.

The only way out of this seems to be limiting the current draw/power usage, hence the throttle option on phone with degraded batteries. Or just swap out for a new battery. On newer phones the newer process node for the soc might help with the power draw and relief the problem too. But definitely avoid battery swaps without actually getting it done by apple.

Also the whole battery percentage for status of charge is just some sort of estimation by looking at the maximum charge of the battery when it can't be charged higher eg. 4.3v on a new battery, and depleted battery voltage eg. 3.2v. But that will also vary depending on the temperature and the cycle count etc.


It's another reason why using the phone for heavy loads while plugged in and fully charged at 100% might be a bad idea. The load will droop the battery voltage and drops it from full voltage eg. 4.3v to 4.1v and then the charging circuit might try to charge it further and end up overcharging the battery.

I actually had a battery showing as "Service battery" even when it's still at 98% life because I left it pretty much plugged in all the time. Now I usually keep the phone at 50~70%% charged unless I know I'll be away from a charger for a while. I also keep the phone on the charger during heavy loads when I can so it's not actually using the battery much.

Keeping the battery at around 50% also prolongs the life of the battery in general as it doesn't self discharge as fast or kill its capacity over time. It's similar to the way they do battery management on EVs where they leave some headroom and only charge it to 90%ish of actual capacity when new even though they show it as 100%. That way they'll have some spare headrooms for further management after driving around for a few years as the maximum voltage drops.

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  #2615943 4-Dec-2020 02:46
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richms:

I am not aware of any other supplier of apple goods other than apple themselves.

thats not what a supplier is. A supplier is anyone that supplies you. For example if 1day is the middleman that you buy from then they are effectivy your supplier not Apple, because you didnt buy from apple. And the same goes for them. Their supplier is whoever they buy from. There are many suppliers of 2nd hand apple products: orangedirect, theappleguy, techsoup, nzctech, refurbme, 3cnz, goodtech, pctraders etc. So who does 1day get there stock from? It could be from anyone, and who ever they get it from is their supplier.



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  #2615948 4-Dec-2020 06:47
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So with what came from wayback machine I too would think it's been returned apple and they have done a refurb on it.  Apple does do refurbs (normally to replace a phone out right if there has been an issue with one sold).  I had this a few years ago when i had to get mine replaced. Apple even has their own refurb website https://www.apple.com/nz/shop/refurbished

 

The following also makes it looks like it has been returned to apple with the use of "factory refurbished product".  

 

These are a factory refurbished product. A refurbished product is one which usually has been returned to the supplier and is then fixed by a technician and thoroughly tested. As a result, refurbished product will usually have a lower rate of return than new products since they are all individually checked and tested while new products are not always. So all-in-all, these perform like a brand new product (although you may find some minor cosmetic imperfections), and you get them at a fraction of the price!

 

 

 

I would be "disappointed" if I went to get the battery replaced only to find that some 3rd party refurb place has used cheap parts and not apple cert parts.  When I did use 1-day they had a bad habit of doing stuff like this, I don't know if they have got better at saying what they are really selling as I have not used them for a good couple of years now.  Just going from what has happened to me and the stories others tell me.

 

 

 

 


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  #2616291 4-Dec-2020 12:14
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tripp:

 

So with what came from wayback machine I too would think it's been returned apple and they have done a refurb on it.  Apple does do refurbs (normally to replace a phone out right if there has been an issue with one sold).  I had this a few years ago when i had to get mine replaced. Apple even has their own refurb website https://www.apple.com/nz/shop/refurbished

 

The following also makes it looks like it has been returned to apple with the use of "factory refurbished product".  

 

These are a factory refurbished product. A refurbished product is one which usually has been returned to the supplier and is then fixed by a technician and thoroughly tested. As a result, refurbished product will usually have a lower rate of return than new products since they are all individually checked and tested while new products are not always. So all-in-all, these perform like a brand new product (although you may find some minor cosmetic imperfections), and you get them at a fraction of the price!

 

 

 

I would be "disappointed" if I went to get the battery replaced only to find that some 3rd party refurb place has used cheap parts and not apple cert parts.  When I did use 1-day they had a bad habit of doing stuff like this, I don't know if they have got better at saying what they are really selling as I have not used them for a good couple of years now.  Just going from what has happened to me and the stories others tell me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the kicker here is that they still state "These are a factory refurbished product."

 

That leads the buyer to believing the factory of the manufacturer - not just some random factory. I think the implication is deliberately there to make you believe that you are getting a genuine Apple Refurb...not a 1-Day refurb, as such. 

 

 

 

I've heard so many bad things about 1-Day refurb products that I simply won't buy anything off them full-stop. 





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  #2616334 4-Dec-2020 13:58
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Yes I said exactly that further up the thread, it could have been a genuine mistake.   EXCEPT.  Thanks to another poster I discovered the wayback machine, and look at the text:

 

These are a factory refurbished product. A refurbished product is one which usually has been returned to the supplier and is then fixed by a technician and thoroughly tested. As a result, refurbished product will usually have a lower rate of return than new products since they are all individually checked and tested while new products are not always. So all-in-all, these perform like a brand new product (although you may find some minor cosmetic imperfections), and you get them at a fraction of the price!

 

So I don't think I did read it wrong.

 

 

I see that they no longer put this on the bottom of the iPhone adverts on their site.

 

They now say they come with a battery health of between 80% and 90%.

 

I strongly suspect they have re-worded as a result of issues.

 

This part in particular is pretty black and white that you should expect brand new performance from the device.  And a poorly performing battery does not meet this claim:

 

So all-in-all, these perform like a brand new product (although you may find some minor cosmetic imperfections), and you get them at a fraction of the price!


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JaseNZ:We purchased a 6s+ for my wife about 2 years ago ?? , was touted as apple refurbished so was surprised to see it turn up in a nondescript white box, was def not genuine refurb product.

 

I've purchased Apple refurbished items before, directly from the Apple website, and white boxes are often used instead of one with the item picture/description etc, so you can't tell whether it's legit or not just by looking at the box.




  #2617944 8-Dec-2020 10:11
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I noticed they are offering Airpods today and they are listed as refurbed.

 

Not sure how you could refurbish these as there is no non destructive way to take them apart.

 

 

 

https://www.1-day.co.nz/products/apple-airpods-2-w-charge-case-1?urlKey=ACEACKT90071220&cataloguename=ACEACKT90071220





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  #2617996 8-Dec-2020 10:39
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JaseNZ:

 

I noticed they are offering Airpods today and they are listed as refurbed.

 

Not sure how you could refurbish these as there is no non destructive way to take them apart.

 

https://www.1-day.co.nz/products/apple-airpods-2-w-charge-case-1?urlKey=ACEACKT90071220&cataloguename=ACEACKT90071220

 

 

Maybe they are new but counterfeit. Or maybe their idea of 'refurbishing' involves cleaning them up and not replacing any internal parts.

 

Either way it's dodgy.


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  #2618000 8-Dec-2020 10:47
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Or maybe their idea of 'refurbishing' involves cleaning them up and not replacing any internal parts.

 

 

This appears to fit the description of a few things that I have seen bought as refurbished from 1-Day. 

 

A friend's MacBook was just secondhand (and quite dinged up) when purchased refurbed from them a few years ago. 





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  #2618014 8-Dec-2020 11:10
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Don't think they would be counterfeit or they would be up the creek.

 

Generic wording on the refub bit makes me laugh.

 

 

Excellent Condition

 

  • Minimal signs of Wear
  • Faint marks on the Screen
  • No Dents or Cracks on the frame
  • Fully Functional
  • Generic packaging

 

 





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  #2618030 8-Dec-2020 11:25
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Refurbished AirPods = "We got most of the ear wax off".


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