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#345968 28-Jun-2010 10:22

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marmel: Correct. If you had an ipad in your bag without anything obvious like a box/receipt I think it would be extremely unlikely you would be asked to pay GST unless you volunteered the info that it was purchased overseas.

Given that your arrival card requires you to state whether you are carrying goods exceeding a certain value ($700?) purchased overseas, how could you not 'volunteer the info' without making a false declaration?

Look we all know what the rules are but seriously how many people do you think actually declare everything they purchased overseas??

There would be hundreds of kiwi's coming back into the country every day from overseas holidays where they would have spent well in excess of what the duty free allowance is and how many of them decalre it?

Personally I think you must be mad to tell customs you purchased goods that will attract GST unless like I pointed out you have the box or receipt in your bag.

Some on here are trying to make out you will be in big trouble if you don't declare the goods and then get caught but this simply isn't true. Yes you will have to pay the GST if this happens but you aren't going to get run through the ringer or pay all kinds of extra fee's, that's just rubbish.

Despite what others think NZ customs are not out to give anyone a hard time, if you get caught and you tell them you forgot to declare it I'm confident once you pay the GST that would be the end of it.

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#345971 28-Jun-2010 10:22

alasta:
marmel: Correct. If you had an ipad in your bag without anything obvious like a box/receipt I think it would be extremely unlikely you would be asked to pay GST unless you volunteered the info that it was purchased overseas.

Given that your arrival card requires you to state whether you are carrying goods exceeding a certain value ($700?) purchased overseas, how could you not 'volunteer the info' without making a false declaration?

Yeah this is correct. So technically every time you go overseas with a laptop theoretically you could pay GST, but the real intention of the law is to "punish" people who are buying something overseas with the intention of bringing it back to NZ to use.

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#345972 28-Jun-2010 10:24

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alasta:
marmel: Correct. If you had an ipad in your bag without anything obvious like a box/receipt I think it would be extremely unlikely you would be asked to pay GST unless you volunteered the info that it was purchased overseas.

Given that your arrival card requires you to state whether you are carrying goods exceeding a certain value ($700?) purchased overseas, how could you not 'volunteer the info' without making a false declaration?

Look we all know what the rules are but seriously how many people do you think actually declare everything they purchased overseas??

There would be hundreds of kiwi's coming back into the country every day from overseas holidays where they would have spent well in excess of what the duty free allowance is and how many of them decalre it?

Personally I think you must be mad to tell customs you purchased goods that will attract GST unless like I pointed out you have the box or receipt in your bag.

Some on here are trying to make out you will be in big trouble if you don't declare the goods and then get caught but this simply isn't true. Yes you will have to pay the GST if this happens but you aren't going to get run through the ringer or pay all kinds of extra fee's, that's just rubbish.

Despite what others think NZ customs are not out to give anyone a hard time, if you get caught and you tell them you forgot to declare it I'm confident once you pay the GST that would be the end of it.

This is true, their main concern is with passport and drug offences, and biosecurity issues.

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#345975 28-Jun-2010 10:38

corksta:
alasta:
marmel: Correct. If you had an ipad in your bag without anything obvious like a box/receipt I think it would be extremely unlikely you would be asked to pay GST unless you volunteered the info that it was purchased overseas.

Given that your arrival card requires you to state whether you are carrying goods exceeding a certain value ($700?) purchased overseas, how could you not 'volunteer the info' without making a false declaration?

Yeah this is correct. So technically every time you go overseas with a laptop theoretically you could pay GST, but the real intention of the law is to "punish" people who are buying something overseas with the intention of bringing it back to NZ to use.

You are only required to pay GST on goods you import from other countries. If you purchased a laptop/ipad in NZ and take it overseas with you to use it does not attract GST upon your return. However if customs query you about the laptop upon your return I guess you would have to tell them when and where it was purchased. The chances of them actually then wanting porof of that would be extremely remote in my opinion.

If you do something obvious like come back through with three new looking ipads complete with that protective plastic film that Apple coat everything with then yes you will probably end up paying the GST, otherwise why not live dangerously and run the gauntlet. Hey whats the worst that can happen?

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#345993 28-Jun-2010 11:37

alasta:
marmel: Correct. If you had an ipad in your bag without anything obvious like a box/receipt I think it would be extremely unlikely you would be asked to pay GST unless you volunteered the info that it was purchased overseas.

Given that your arrival card requires you to state whether you are carrying goods exceeding a certain value ($700?) purchased overseas, how could you not 'volunteer the info' without making a false declaration?

I bought a 64GB wi-fi model in a couple of weeks ago with no problems whatsoever. I declared it on the form and they didn't blink an eye. They asked what it was but said that because it wasn't food they weren't worried. Didn't even ask how much it was.........

So I claimed the GST back leaving Oz and didn't get stung at this end - nice :)

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#346005 28-Jun-2010 12:11

This is turning into a tax avoidance discussion, and I am sure that wasn't intended.

Remember that ALL luggage is screened at the MAF check points and it is not uncommonfor MAF to refer you back to Customs when they see undeclared electronics in your possession.

You live in NZ and it should be part of your price to be here, that you pay GST. It's a small amount, and you still get the imtem overall cheaper than buying it locally. I don't see the logic for taking the risk of making a false statement, for the savings of a few dollars.

I come back from overseas at least twice a month and I see a lot of people who declare their overseas purchase thruthfully, pay their GST and happily go on using their overseas-purchased gitfts. What's the big deal?

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#346162 28-Jun-2010 21:12

toshcomputers: This is turning into a tax avoidance discussion, and I am sure that wasn't intended.

Remember that ALL luggage is screened at the MAF check points and it is not uncommonfor MAF to refer you back to Customs when they see undeclared electronics in your possession.

You live in NZ and it should be part of your price to be here, that you pay GST. It's a small amount, and you still get the imtem overall cheaper than buying it locally. I don't see the logic for taking the risk of making a false statement, for the savings of a few dollars.

I come back from overseas at least twice a month and I see a lot of people who declare their overseas purchase thruthfully, pay their GST and happily go on using their overseas-purchased gitfts. What's the big deal?

I think the main problem is that the geek lovers in NZ are shafted on a regular basis by either the importers, distributors or retailers for electronic goods.

Why do you think there are so many people now importing their own goods even though it would be far easier to buy one in NZ?

I haven't had any experience with your store so this isn't aimed at you but I have purchased several iphones, all from the US and saved a considerable amount of money.

I recall looking at a home theatre amp that was approx $1900NZ at a local store. The same amp was for sale on Amazon.com for around $375NZ. Now the local distributor could have actually purchased a heap from the US PAYING RETAIL, shipped them over here, paid GST and still more than doubled his money.

This is why people are talking about ways to get goods into the country as cheap as possible, the market has steered consumers that way I'm afraid.

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#346279 29-Jun-2010 11:06

You are not "being shafted" when you are asked to pay the proper import tax. All they want you to do is pay the same tax others pay in the retail store in NZ. You seem to have the expectation that by buying something overseas you are somehow exempt from NZ taxes. You live here, and you pay taxes here. If you don't want that, move to another country. I hear Afghanistan has few local taxes...

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#346286 29-Jun-2010 11:15

toshcomputers: You are not "being shafted" when you are asked to pay the proper import tax. All they want you to do is pay the same tax others pay in the retail store in NZ. You seem to have the expectation that by buying something overseas you are somehow exempt from NZ taxes. You live here, and you pay taxes here. If you don't want that, move to another country. I hear Afghanistan has few local taxes...

Look we are getting off topic here but you are missing the point I am making.

In a lot of cases there is no justification in the large price discrepencies between here and other countries. This is what is driving more people to buy overseas. I am not saying that paying GST is shafting NZ consumers, local prices are.

Trying to avoid any extra costs such as GST is simply a result of NZ consumers having to purchase overseas to get a decent price on goods. Any sane person is going to try and get a product for as low a price as possible.

Perhaps if prices here were on a more even keel with overseas then we wouldn't be having this discussion and the GST avoidance wouldn't be an issue.

Anyway, back on topic.

I am now debating on whether to wait for local pricing to be announced or purchase now from overseas, decisions, decisions....

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#346295 29-Jun-2010 11:29

Just get it overseas if you have the chance! :)
Make sure you turn it on etc before you leave the store though, just to make sure there's no immediate issue with it. I think they've been rushing the production on all of the apple stuff!
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#346297 29-Jun-2010 11:31

rebeltrousers: Just get it overseas if you have the chance! :)
Make sure you turn it on etc before you leave the store though, just to make sure there's no immediate issue with it. I think they've been rushing the production on all of the apple stuff!
:)

Yeah I see the new iphone has problems with the reception and the advice from Steve Jobs has been "don't hold it that way" which is ridiculous really.

If I get one from overseas I will be buying online, not planning on any overseas trips soon. I do have friends in Aussie that could send one over but I think stocks there are failry low.

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#346307 29-Jun-2010 11:47

I'm not too fussed as I already have mine but......

Point in case. I bought a 64GB Wi-Fi version a couple of weeks ago in Oz.

Price in the Apple Store - $879
Claimed GST back on the way out so the cost was $799 AUD
This equates to $983 NZD at todays rates.
Plus GST in NZ equals $1105

Here is todays "Deal" on thedeal.co.nz

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#346319 29-Jun-2010 12:13

welliegeek: I'm not too fussed as I already have mine but......

Point in case. I bought a 64GB Wi-Fi version a couple of weeks ago in Oz.

Price in the Apple Store - $879
Claimed GST back on the way out so the cost was $799 AUD
This equates to $983 NZD at todays rates.
Plus GST in NZ equals $1105

Here is todays "Deal" on thedeal.co.nz

Yeah, I would avoid buying the iPad in NZ at present. At least wait until Apple NZ officially has stock. Then you will see the likes of Parallel Imported etc slash their prices. Currently, they are making bucket loads of money on the iPad!

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#346432 29-Jun-2010 18:00

I was in Los Angeles and San Francisco early last month (may), all stores were out of stock of any models of the IPAD.

I will be visiting California again this coming weekend, does anyone know off hand if the stores there are still experiencing the same stock shortages, or has this been overcome?

Keen to know in advance if anyone has any info. Havent had too much success researching on google!

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#346554 30-Jun-2010 07:07

gmball: I was in Los Angeles and San Francisco early last month (may), all stores were out of stock of any models of the IPAD.

I will be visiting California again this coming weekend, does anyone know off hand if the stores there are still experiencing the same stock shortages, or has this been overcome?

Have a look at the forums on Macrumors.com. There appear to be regular discussions around stock availability, and from what I've read it sounds like it's still pretty limited in the United States.

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