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Topic # 205813 28-Nov-2016 11:47
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Hey all,

 

 

 

On the weekend i got a bit exited and got some Tropical Fish.

 

1 Male Betta Red longfin
1 Breeding pair of white (Sailfin?) Mollys 
1 blue ram cichlid
1 male and 2 female orange, white black plattys

 

So i should have breeding stock for 2 breeds. I have a 38L tank currently housing all. The fighter is currently locked away in a breeding pen until i can afford his own tank, (Didnt take nicely to the plattys)
Here is an album of photos just after initial setup. https://imgur.com/a/4g01z  (No one told me i had to cycle my tank so its fish in cycle i suppose, Also destroys the wallet due to all the water test kits and additives..) I expected to spend $250 but still need stuff and $500 deep cry So if anyone has any tropical freebies in Auckland id appreciate them!!)

 

The tank is cloudy as in the first few photos. After a 50% water change and extra filter media it settled after a while and is crystal clear today. I added an ornament so they can hide in it and plants (Subject to change when fry come along as i may not use a breeding pen rather just let nature do its thing and a few will survive in the thick vegetation. 

 

Ill ad some more photos today with the progress and if anyone has a bit of knowledge regarding tropical fish and their bahviour id like to chat.

 

Also if anyone has a test kit for ammonia and nitrates etc around the North Shore they dont want for bought and dont need ill buy it.

 

 

 

Keen to see others aquarium setups.

 

 

 

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  Reply # 1679149 28-Nov-2016 22:04
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Looks awesome Tim! I think I've got some spare test kits in the garage but I'm bit far south for ya (probably not worth the postage). Pity you didn't get a chance to cycle the tank, hopefully that won't come back to bite you later on. The Betta's are beautiful fish, please don't get it one of those 2L desktop tanks that seem to be the rage these days. We had our last betta in a 5L wall mounted tank that was about as small as I was comfortable with.

 

I don't keep tropical's anymore (lost first tank in an EQ and the next during EQ repairs) and I certainly don't miss the cost! So I intend to live vicariously through you if you can keep posting photos every so often tongue-out


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  Reply # 1679174 28-Nov-2016 23:45
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I had a few tests done free at hollywood fish farm when I was starting out. nitrates were always high for a while then it all settled down and was great, then I got my own test set and it was always great. Till a flatmate thought a fleabomb in their room was a good idea and then only the pleco (my most disliked fish) survived.

 

So if you want a 300mm or so pleco, just let me know ;)





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  Reply # 1679206 29-Nov-2016 08:02
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Here is the tank before i re arranged a few things. Unfortunately the fighter has been retired to the breeding pen for a few days until i can get him a little tank. He seems to attack the platys which is opposite what the store said.

 

 

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Pity you didn't get a chance to cycle the tank, hopefully that won't come back to bite you later on. 

 

Hollywood fish farm strongly suggest i do fish in cycle, This maybe a sales ploy or just a technique that they seem to work best. What ever the case they had no problem loading my basket up with more stuff to buy. They also suggest that i dont do water changes to control the ammonia even tho im flying blind currently. Redditers say water changes daily for fish in cycle. They seem to have a lot of valuable info and all seem to have the same techniques, Polar opposite of my fish shop.

 

richms:

 

So if you want a 300mm or so pleco, just let me know ;)

 

 

I dont think a Pleco would fit in here if its 300MM! Strange how a flea bomb did that. I have a cover over the top of mine so hopefully it can keep most outside contaminants out.

 

Ill go and take a sample to the fish farm down the road this week and see what m parameters are thank for the suggestion!

 

https://imgur.com/gallery/4VT4C?

 

 





 


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  Reply # 1679302 29-Nov-2016 10:26
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Do you mind providing a list of what you needed to get started?

 

Tropical fish is something that has always fascinated me whenever I've visited someone who has them.

 

 


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  Reply # 1679304 29-Nov-2016 10:33
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TimA:

 

Hey all,

 

 

 

On the weekend i got a bit exited and got some Tropical Fish.

 

1 Male Betta Red longfin
1 Breeding pair of white (Sailfin?) Mollys 
1 blue ram cichlid
1 male and 2 female orange, white black plattys

 

So i should have breeding stock for 2 breeds. I have a 38L tank currently housing all. The fighter is currently locked away in a breeding pen until i can afford his own tank, (Didnt take nicely to the plattys)
Here is an album of photos just after initial setup. https://imgur.com/a/4g01z  (No one told me i had to cycle my tank so its fish in cycle i suppose, Also destroys the wallet due to all the water test kits and additives..) I expected to spend $250 but still need stuff and $500 deep cry So if anyone has any tropical freebies in Auckland id appreciate them!!)

 

The tank is cloudy as in the first few photos. After a 50% water change and extra filter media it settled after a while and is crystal clear today. I added an ornament so they can hide in it and plants (Subject to change when fry come along as i may not use a breeding pen rather just let nature do its thing and a few will survive in the thick vegetation. 

 

Ill ad some more photos today with the progress and if anyone has a bit of knowledge regarding tropical fish and their bahviour id like to chat.

 

Also if anyone has a test kit for ammonia and nitrates etc around the North Shore they dont want for bought and dont need ill buy it.

 

 

 

Keen to see others aquarium setups.

 

 

 

Cheers

 

 

our fighter died. 

 

Mistake was snails.

 

Bought one snail, did you know they are hermaphrodites? Multiply like wild, got out of control and ruined the water. 

 

Our fault, should have addressed the water quality issue earlier, just because water and tank looks clear does not mean it is healthy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 1679366 29-Nov-2016 11:31
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Do you mind providing a list of what you needed to get started?

 

Tropical fish is something that has always fascinated me whenever I've visited someone who has them.

 

 

 

 

Hey,

 

As you can see from the photos i got a medium size tank. Not too small for a few fish but not too big. 

 

In all honesty the package was not as complete as it should have been, more like 3/4 of what you need to start. It is how ever enough to start your tank and cycle it for the first week.
You buy the tanks as a package, I got the tropical package for $190.

 

It came with the following: Off brand 50W heater, Little thermometer, Little bit of food, 2 sachets of water conditioner and bacteria, pH test kit, gravel, The tank has a built in light and filter which is OK.

 

I bought the following extras:

 

Upgraded the food from a tiny one to a standard one
Betta food
A net (did come with one like really?)
Small sized Stress zyme and stress coat (Conditioner and bacteria) 
5x Plants and 2x little fern like ones
The barrel 
Extra filter media
Filter pickup sock like thing
And the fish!

 

 

 

As you can see i bought a lot maybe too much but im sure i wont need to go back for a few days until i find out what to do with the platys.





 




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  Reply # 1682260 5-Dec-2016 09:09
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So i have had a good first week of fish keeping. No troubles apart from a few behavioral things.
The male molly is pushing the female around with the top of his head under her butt, Fighter doesnt hate the platies anymore and has finished his jail sentence. Did a 50% water change and added some more bacteria as the platies gills started to get a tad darker red and look weird. Suppose ammonia might have crept up.

 

Otherwise all is well. I reckon my pump that came with the tank is shot. It sounds like a fridge running and a friend with the same tank his is silent.

 

 





 


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  Reply # 1682273 5-Dec-2016 09:46
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TimA:

 

Otherwise all is well. I reckon my pump that came with the tank is shot. It sounds like a fridge running and a friend with the same tank his is silent.

 

 

Probably as simple as the impeller being misaligned or some grit is stuck in there. Was it always noisy from the start?

 

Try taking it apart and cleaning it.  The part where the bottom pipe goes in should pop off and expose the impeller (usually green), pull that out and give the impeller and the housing a good clean.




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  Reply # 1682279 5-Dec-2016 10:00
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TimA:

 

Otherwise all is well. I reckon my pump that came with the tank is shot. It sounds like a fridge running and a friend with the same tank his is silent.

 

 

Probably as simple as the impeller being misaligned or some grit is stuck in there. Was it always noisy from the start?

 

Try taking it apart and cleaning it.  The part where the bottom pipe goes in should pop off and expose the impeller (usually green), pull that out and give the impeller and the housing a good clean.

 

 

 

 

Hey, Yep definitely the same since new. I got an old sock and jammed it between the mounts for the pump to dampen vibrations so im assuming its out of balance. Probably an average mold or motor is shot.
Has not been around long enough to get algae growth anywhere. But mine didnt come with the sock filter on it. Maybe i put one on and give it a clean.

 

 





 


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  Reply # 1683604 7-Dec-2016 08:57
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Keeping tropical fish isn;t cheap, the like of Animate make it out to be cheap with deals on tanks and what not but once you buy the tank, fish, filter if its not built into the tank, heater, oxygen pump, plants, food and testing kits you have just forked out quite a bit of cash plus to cost of power each month which isn't cheap as you are pretty much adding another hot water heater to your house that doesn't have insulation. 

 

 

 

Been there and done that and after years of high power bills and cleaning tanks we gave it up earlier this year. Sorry if that sounds negative but I am just being honest that they can be hard work and expensive.


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  Reply # 1683623 7-Dec-2016 09:24
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Man it really really pisses me off what these shops are selling people. I was nz's largest guppy and African cichlid breeder for a few years.

Going to be brutally honest, 38l is completely too small for your fish. I mean way to small, especially when you are starting a new tank with no bacteria established. At the most they should have advised you to start with a single fish and then add a new one every two weeks, instead your going to constantly have an over loaded bio system.A and since your filter is designed to deal with a few fish it's going to struggle,a nd you will get high nitrates,nitrites and ammonia.

The most I would house in that tank is the three platys. The Molly's will grow to 10cm each, the blue ram can get to 8-9cm. Platys will go to 6cm.

Bettas despite what you see do need swimming space, they like room.and they need it to grow.

Not trying to dampen your enthusiasm, but this is how these fish stores stay in business. Because your fish will die, the shop will sell you more and tell you to buy x y and z chemicals. In the best interest of the fish ditch the Molly's and cichlid(blue ram). When you've established your tank properly which can take 6 months, then decide if you want to go bigger. You can buy a used large tank and that's when u becomes really fun, you can establish breeding colonies and habitats.

The way to look at it is you want 5litres of water per 3cm of fish. At a minimum


Check out .https://aquariumworld.nz It's a dedicated forum for fish lovers and they are great people. and will help you out. Someone might even be able to give you a piece of filter wool from their aquarium and that will instantly create the proper bacteria and cycle your tank.






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  Reply # 1683706 7-Dec-2016 10:21
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Thanks for the info Ludez,

 

"Because your fish will die" Im expecting to lose one or two here and there. 

 

Few questions,

 

My Betta seems to be slightly lighter colored now and his bottom long fin (Very technical i know) is getting ragged, It was fine last night but i did note some small holes in the rear section of his fin. Now its receded about 3mm 
What can i do with the mollies? They cost $30 for the pair. Id be happy for them to go though.
What can i do with the Ram, Id keep him over the platies as they tease my fighter all the time and he is a chiller.
Fighter also isnt locked up in jail anymore so maybe a fish got to his fins but i didnt see any of that behavior.

 

Yeah also agree that the fish shops suggest more chemicals and additives than needed. I bought some water conditioner and bacteria stuff and i wont get much more than that. Ill take a sample into them this week for testing too.

 

My fighter hated the small breeding enclosure for the few days he was in it. Loves swimming up and down the glass and boosting across the tank. Then will sit down on a plant leaf and rest for 5 and then back to boosting. Also he will attack my finger if i leave it in the water. Will also jump for his food (Never misses) 

 

 

 

BTR, How much extra was your power bill on average? I got a pump in the tank but would i want to get an oxygen pump as well? I know its hard work but they are cool fish to keep!

 

 





 


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  Reply # 1683719 7-Dec-2016 10:40
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Sounds like the platys are tail nipping. Despite the fish shops saying they don't. They do and won't stop till it's a stump. Hell also be beaten down by the cycle it's very harsh on fish being exposed to the chemicals when cycling.

You could sell the mollies or platys. Keep the Molly's for now and if you decide to get a bigger tank transfer them over. Platys are pretty boring fish, the ram and fighters have character, the platys are just space fillers really.

As long as you have movement at the top of your water you don't need an air pump.

You would only notice maybe $1-2 extra on power if that

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  Reply # 1683789 7-Dec-2016 11:44
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Buy a plug in power meter for the tank, and be surprised at how something so small can cost so much during winter where it is trying to heat the entire room.





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  Reply # 1683872 7-Dec-2016 13:20
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Re arranged tank last night so there is more of an open area for viewing.
The betta was nipped by the Mollys, Caught red handed at lunch today. They are not in the tank anymore.
If anyone can suggest better placement in the tank please do let me know. Is it better to have the vegetation moved to the other side? The ram enjoys hiding in the vegetation all the time but id like to see him!

 

 

 





 


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