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Topic # 214987 7-Jun-2017 13:08
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I've been using a USB drive up to now but since the HDD has just died I should take the chance to upgrade to a proper NAS.

 

Probably want something with 1-2 drives bays.

 

It's main use will be media streaming (Transcoding not required) but I will probably play and put something else on it at some stage.

 

Let me know if you have something lying about you want to turn into cash.

 

I'm in Dunedin so will pay shipping if needed.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1795965 7-Jun-2017 13:29
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Hey mate,

 

 

 

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NASQNP25118/QNAP-TS-251-8G-NAS-Server-2-Bay-SATA-6G-Celeron-20

 

Does this tickle your fancy?

 

I bought this unit plus the four bay version last year from PB Tech.

 

Have been using as a Plex Server and a Web Server but is absolutely surplus to requirements as I'm moving my storage to the cloud.

 

 

 

Cool features:

 

- Plex support / Qnap App Echo System

 

- Virtualisation / Docker Support

 

- HDMI port to use as a Linux Desktop Computer

 

- USB 3 and dual Gigabit ethernet

 

 

 

Have upgraded the memory to 16GB.

 

Would take $700 with the RAM upgrade if your budget allows.

 

 


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  Reply # 1795968 7-Jun-2017 13:32
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I have had one of these for a few years, running Alt-F firmware.  Has an ftp client, DLNA server, ability to torrent direct from the box plus a whole lot of other things that I haven't really investigaed. I have it living out in the workshop with ethernet into the house to multiple TVs, plays stuff fine and as simple as browsing from the TV remote. 

 

Not my auction btw, I just came across it the other day and though of it when I saw your post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1796515 8-Jun-2017 10:58
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premiumtouring:

 

 

 

Would take $700 with the RAM upgrade if your budget allows.

 

 

 

 

@premiumtouring

 

Sounds very nice - but out of my Budget unless it includes HDDs.

 

Let me know if you want to stretch that far.

 

 

 

Cheers


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  Reply # 1798661 12-Jun-2017 17:33
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I have a ReadyNAS NV+V2 PLUS 4 x 2tb drives

 

A Netgear ReadyNAS NV+V2 Unit

 

4 bays
Plus the drives

 

Western Digital WD Green WD20EZRX 2TB
Western Digital WD Green WD20EARS 2TB
Western Digital WD Green WD20EARX 2TB
Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB

 

This unit was supplied by netgear 11/1/2016 as a replacement for a similiar unit.
Comes with original box and all that came in the box

 

$560 delivered NZ

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1798754 12-Jun-2017 18:21
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gnfb:

 

4 bays
Plus the drives

 

Western Digital WD Green WD20EZRX 2TB
Western Digital WD Green WD20EARS 2TB
Western Digital WD Green WD20EARX 2TB
Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB

 

 

I hope you aren't running that unit as RAID5 or 6. Never, ever, run WD Greens in a striped array - the TLER will likely cause all sorts of problems.


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  Reply # 1798776 12-Jun-2017 18:44
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JimmyH:

 

gnfb:

 

4 bays
Plus the drives

 

Western Digital WD Green WD20EZRX 2TB
Western Digital WD Green WD20EARS 2TB
Western Digital WD Green WD20EARX 2TB
Seagate Desktop HDD ST2000DM001 2TB

 

 

I hope you aren't running that unit as RAID5 or 6. Never, ever, run WD Greens in a striped array - the TLER will likely cause all sorts of problems.

 

 

Hmmmm The good or the bad news I dont have a clue what you are talking about fortunately the TLER?? does not seem to be causing any problems as the whole thing works wonderfully well as a storage bin for all my junk (media) and I can access it from any of the devices or mac or pcs that I have connected to it. Have been doing so for months!

 

Goodness imagine if what you said had been true LOL it would have completely screwed up any ability to sell the unit . Good job there are people like you around keeping us all honest well done!

 

 





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  Reply # 1798781 12-Jun-2017 19:11
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How urgently are you wanting one? I have a TS-251+ like another poster mentioned which I need to sell before moving overseas. It has 2x 2TB HDDs, which I could probably fit to your budget. I just need a little time to make sure I've got everything moved to cloud storage before we go. Let me know if you're interested.

 

 


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  Reply # 1798810 12-Jun-2017 19:24
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Given its for media i.e. non-critical - do you have some old hardware you could re-purpose using unRAID:

 

https://lime-technology.com/

 

I have been running one for 5 years now for my media - it is well reliable and i definitely recommend having a look at it.

 

Free 30 day licence is a good way to test it - and the $$ versions are good value IMO.


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  Reply # 1801654 15-Jun-2017 18:03
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gnfb:

 

 

 

Hmmmm The good or the bad news I dont have a clue what you are talking about fortunately the TLER?? does not seem to be causing any problems as the whole thing works wonderfully well as a storage bin for all my junk (media) and I can access it from any of the devices or mac or pcs that I have connected to it. Have been doing so for months!

 

Goodness imagine if what you said had been true LOL it would have completely screwed up any ability to sell the unit . Good job there are people like you around keeping us all honest well done!

 

 

They won't cause any problems - until they do.

 

Green drives are designed to be used individually and to be energy efficient. They have aggressive head parking and high TLER (time- limited error recovery). Basically, when your hard drive needs to perform a read operation and that sector is bad the hard drive will go into error recovery mode. That is what you want in a desktop drive - park the heads when not in use, and have a couple of goes at reading data if there is a read error. However, in a striped array using hardware RAID it isn't.

 

When a hard drive is in error recovery mode the hard drive will not respond to commands from the computer, such as another read or write operation.  The RAID controller can interpret this as a failed disk and boot it off the array. For RAID environments, it's important to have a very low TLER to prevent a drive from being removed from the RAID by the RAID controller. Drives designed for NASes work this way, green drives don't.

 

That means you can have an unstable array that keeps rebuilding. Furthermore, you can't RMA the drives because they keep dropping out of your array. The are behaving as designed and will pass all diagnostics fine.

 

Head parking is a different issue. My understanding is that Green drives park the head after 8 seconds, which causes a higher number of on/off cycles in NAS or Server operations, and means that the drive will likely fail faster. Again, NAS drives are designed for this type of environment.




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  Reply # 1803653 19-Jun-2017 20:41
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Thanks for all the offers.
I ended up buying the 251 from Rappelle in this thread

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  Reply # 1803872 20-Jun-2017 10:22
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JimmyH:

 

gnfb:

 

 

 

Hmmmm The good or the bad news I dont have a clue what you are talking about fortunately the TLER?? does not seem to be causing any problems as the whole thing works wonderfully well as a storage bin for all my junk (media) and I can access it from any of the devices or mac or pcs that I have connected to it. Have been doing so for months!

 

Goodness imagine if what you said had been true LOL it would have completely screwed up any ability to sell the unit . Good job there are people like you around keeping us all honest well done!

 

 

They won't cause any problems - until they do.

 

Green drives are designed to be used individually and to be energy efficient. They have aggressive head parking and high TLER (time- limited error recovery). Basically, when your hard drive needs to perform a read operation and that sector is bad the hard drive will go into error recovery mode. That is what you want in a desktop drive - park the heads when not in use, and have a couple of goes at reading data if there is a read error. However, in a striped array using hardware RAID it isn't.

 

When a hard drive is in error recovery mode the hard drive will not respond to commands from the computer, such as another read or write operation.  The RAID controller can interpret this as a failed disk and boot it off the array. For RAID environments, it's important to have a very low TLER to prevent a drive from being removed from the RAID by the RAID controller. Drives designed for NASes work this way, green drives don't.

 

That means you can have an unstable array that keeps rebuilding. Furthermore, you can't RMA the drives because they keep dropping out of your array. The are behaving as designed and will pass all diagnostics fine.

 

Head parking is a different issue. My understanding is that Green drives park the head after 8 seconds, which causes a higher number of on/off cycles in NAS or Server operations, and means that the drive will likely fail faster. Again, NAS drives are designed for this type of environment.

 

 

I remenbered afterwards that the drives i got were from memory on the list of suitable from netgear.

 

Your knowledge is obviously extensive on this matter Us laypeople tend to accept what the companies say as we have no real alternative other than spending 3 years at MIT :) 

 

 





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  Reply # 1803978 20-Jun-2017 13:03
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gnfb:

 

 

 

I remenbered afterwards that the drives i got were from memory on the list of suitable from netgear.

 

Your knowledge is obviously extensive on this matter Us laypeople tend to accept what the companies say as we have no real alternative other than spending 3 years at MIT :) 

 

 

Can't quite tell if you're being sarcastic. Interesting if the green drives are on the approved list. It's a very well known issue with the green drives. (Used to be able to actually change the setting.) WD basically nerfed them so they could charge more for the red ones.

 

As you said they do run absolutely fine, it's only when you start getting issues reading (typically later in their life) that it really causes issues with RAID.


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