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  # 255199 12-Sep-2009 15:24
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LennonNZ: Are you going to go after the people who are selling fake Dreamboxes on Trademe and other places in NZ?



I know Trademe have blocked any auctions of clone Dreamboxes for some time.

Virtually any DM500 around is a clone since they haven't been made for so long.

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  # 255200 12-Sep-2009 15:31
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They removed the ones people complained about :-) People are still selling them on trademe all the time still when I don't have time complaining about them :-)

Copyright only works when a company actually defends it and I don't see them defending them in NZ at all. I've emailed DM quite a number of times about people selling clones commercially in NZ and they don't seem to do anything as 6 months later the same people are selling them. Also the same with Optus Aurora AU Cards.. there are a number of people selling pirated cards in NZ and I've told Optus who they are exactly but they don't do anything at all.


 
 
 
 




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  # 255298 13-Sep-2009 08:05
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If Trademe had good adminstrators like Mauricio then it wouldn't be an issue.
DM as global company has alot of work to do .


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  # 255349 13-Sep-2009 14:09
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LennonNZ: I don't see them defending them in NZ at all.


Reality is they would have to know the details of NZ law and have a presence here etc., yet NZ is the size of a >small< city so it is not worth the trouble.  There are bigger fish to fry on eBay.  Even you say you don't have time to complain about it, and this is clearly important to you.




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  # 255352 13-Sep-2009 14:45
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As my complaints didn't seem to stop the people selling them at all as I really had no legal standing behind me .

Now there is a distributor in New Zealand I would guess they would do something about the fakes in NZ being sold or at least the distributor will try and do something.

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  # 255361 13-Sep-2009 15:16
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The only thing that really annoyed me about the people selling the clones was the price they were charging. You would expect the new NZ distributor to want to do something about the clones being sold

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  # 255387 13-Sep-2009 17:20
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From what I've seen they go for about $200NZ for a clone DM500/S/+ clone which is a little expensive.

The DM800S HD PVR (without HDD) on trademe (from the guy on here) is $1200+ which is around 2* the cost retail in the states so it is cheaper buying one from overseas and pay for shipping than to get in via the official distributor in NZ! (even if you paid for REALLY expensive shipping and tax if you bring it in).

Yes its economy of scale between the states/NZ but still the price on trademe is expensive...

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  # 255388 13-Sep-2009 17:23
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trademe's only part of the problem ( what about the clone's with different brand names )
Looks like the image makers are getting upset as well and expect them to make some changes

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if you have purchased a clone and use PLi software with it, then it most likely has a patched bootloader in it and was download off the internet and not from our site here at PLiĀ® Images website. Please be aware we do not condone such actions and will find it in most cases impossible to support you as the software you are using has been hacked by your clone dealer. If you have any issues please talk to your clone dealer. You can check your DM800 with the DMM Authenticity test



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  # 255411 13-Sep-2009 18:05
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LennonNZ: 
The DM800S HD PVR (without HDD) on trademe (from the guy on here) is $1200+ which is around 2* the cost retail in the states so it is cheaper buying one from overseas and pay for shipping than to get in via the official distributor in NZ! (even if you paid for REALLY expensive shipping and tax if you bring it in).

Yes its economy of scale between the states/NZ but still the price on trademe is expensive...

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and you think the one's from US are real for that price. ( they are clone's mate ) 
Clone's only can load old boot loader versions hence can't keep up up the latest image releases as they don't have a genuine dreamcrpyt simcard installed by DM.
Also will not pass the latest Anthenticity test etc...





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  # 255421 13-Sep-2009 18:23
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umm..

http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/en/retailer_overview?field_region_value_many_to_one=USA&field_country_value_many_to_one=All&field_city_value=&field_zip_value=&title=

http://www.ishopdream.com/dm800.htm (Official Retailer) $499.00 US Retail.... ~$670 NZ
http://store.3nityshop.com/product_info.php?cPath=74&products_id=961 (Another retailer listed) - EURO 399.00 - ~$800 NZ
http://www.satvision.se/ (official retailer) - 5595kr (~$900 NZ)

These are retail prices and I would presume wholesale would be a little cheaper..

Even paying $50 NZ Shipping + Tax after getting it into NZ(which is really good 2-3 days shipping from most countries it would be cheaper getting it from overseas. You may say yes they won't ship outside the US, but I've found any companies will at a price even if they don't advertise it online).

But yes economies of scale and what people will pay for similar units in the country you are selling it to but comparing the NZ prices to other countries price for the same unit.. the NZ price (given on trademe) is expensive). People add costing for returns/faults etc but these would be also included in the retail cost of overseas units as well.




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  # 255430 13-Sep-2009 18:44
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My apologies I though you were refering to the US ebay listings ( they are clones )

some of the cheaper prices your've listed could be easily be clones ( retailers also could sell clones )
considering DM distrubutes in box lot of ( 10 - 12 )units - can't see how those prices are achieved .
be interesting to see it they would pass the latest Athenticity testing or can load the latest images





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