gaming latency with orcon internet

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Geek

#631745 29-May-2012 01:00

The DES1008D is not a router of any sort, it's an ethernet switch. Also the Linksys WAG160N, in my experience, is fairly unreliable. I have replaced about half a dozen of these units for (business) customers, with an alternative product, due to random disconnections or poor performance issues.

Yea the linksys WAG160N has appauling speeds and often disconnects, i forgot to mention that one of the flatmates in the studio has set up a wireless access point from the D-link ethernet swtich using a time capsule, and the speeds on that is much much faster and reliable. However the spike and latency issues occur when connected to the time capsule as well.

what's your sync rate?

I tested my connection, i'm on 19.5 megabit sync, which is qute high.

Downloading http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test from linux, and doing a ping test from linux too i get behaviour like:

64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=5 ttl=56 time=39.0 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=6 ttl=56 time=38.1 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=7 ttl=56 time=62.3 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=8 ttl=56 time=60.6 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=9 ttl=56 time=75.7 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=10 ttl=56 time=72.1 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=11 ttl=56 time=69.1 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=12 ttl=56 time=37.7 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=13 ttl=56 time=65.4 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=14 ttl=56 time=65.2 ms

with a total like:

37 packets transmitted, 35 received, 5% packet loss, time 36050ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 35.834/56.278/75.721/13.215 ms

where packet 27 and 30 were dropped.

64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=25 ttl=56 time=65.2 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=26 ttl=56 time=66.6 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=28 ttl=56 time=60.5 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=29 ttl=56 time=57.6 ms
64 bytes from vip1.AU-anycast1.cachefly.net (204.93.143.143): icmp_req=31 ttl=56 time=66.5 ms

to that site i'm nearly doubling my latency from one download, even with a fast sync.. but it's still not too bad...

where you're saying it goes up and down.. if you look at number 12.. that's a lot lower then the ones surrounding it.. the way tcp/ip works is it stops and starts a lot when it gets packet loss. there will be packet loss not showing in the ping too..

i tested the download from windows too and it was about the same.

I dont have access to router settings so cant determine my sync speed :(
will do a ping test tomorrow to see what i get

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mercutio

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Uber Geek

#631746 29-May-2012 01:05

just check on speedtest.net

ChickenSoup

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Geek

#631747 29-May-2012 01:10

https://www.speedtest.net/result/1976015888.png

very slow upload :\

Tested it again and got completely different speeds

https://www.speedtest.net/result/1976018681.png

mercutio

1392 posts

Uber Geek

#631748 29-May-2012 01:14

ChickenSoup: https://www.speedtest.net/result/1976015888.png

very slow upload :\

that looks moderate... it's about half the line rate of mine. but your pings are higher too, but reasonable for dunedin.

so you're likely to get about 60 msec normally to sydney.. and around 140 when downloading..

but you were saying about 400+..

is that over wireless?

mercutio

1392 posts

Uber Geek

#631749 29-May-2012 01:16

ChickenSoup:

Tested it again and got completely different speeds

https://www.speedtest.net/result/1976018681.png

wow! have you got a big cap?

you can watch a download to see if it stalls, goes up and down randomly etc.

ChickenSoup

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Geek

#631750 29-May-2012 01:17

normally to australia, yea around 50-70 ms over wireless, but goes way higher than 140 (around 500 to even 800 which just results in connection error to battlefield) if someone is downloading

mercutio

1392 posts

Uber Geek

#631751 29-May-2012 01:20

ChickenSoup: normally to australia, yea around 50-70 ms over wireless, but goes way higher than 140 (around 500 to even 800 which just results in connection error to battlefield) if someone is downloading

i'd recommend you download this program called pingplotter

http://www.pingplotter.com/

quick link to the free version:
http://www.pingplotter.com/downloads/pngplt_1.exe

it'll show you nice graphs of ping times at each hop along the way.. as well as packet loss..

and run it without doing anything special... then try browsing the net and take a look at what it does to it. i tend to compare min to average to check how screwed things are.

ChickenSoup

22 posts

Geek

#631752 29-May-2012 01:24

mercutio:
ChickenSoup:

Tested it again and got completely different speeds

https://www.speedtest.net/result/1976018681.png

wow! have you got a big cap?

you can watch a download to see if it stalls, goes up and down randomly etc.

yea... its going up and down right now... ive been doing multiple tests for the past few minutes and it varies between 7Mbits to 17Mbits...
Note my flatmate is watching youtube right now... :\

mercutio

1392 posts

Uber Geek

#631753 29-May-2012 01:26

ChickenSoup:
mercutio:
ChickenSoup:

Tested it again and got completely different speeds

https://www.speedtest.net/result/1976018681.png

wow! have you got a big cap?

you can watch a download to see if it stalls, goes up and down randomly etc.

yea... its going up and down right now... ive been doing multiple tests for the past few minutes and it varies between 7Mbits to 17Mbits...
Note my flatmate is watching youtube right now... :\

oh that'll be it.. youtube will loads at full speed you get half the connection each.. the download only test is safer for intefering with other users as much.

ok, so your speeds are similar to mine when things aren't screwed.. so now i'm thinking the router has some kind of application firewall or such like.. or it's just really lacklustre wireless.

his viewing youtube is a good time to check out what the pings are like though :)

ChickenSoup

22 posts

Geek

#631755 29-May-2012 01:31

Right, so if youtube loads at full speeds I would be expecting slower speed in other applications?
I've been running the pingplotter for a while now tracing google.com. starts off at 30ms, and once in a while it would go up to 501ms and up, then come back down.. and go back up lol...
pretty much what i'd expected

mercutio

1392 posts

Uber Geek

#631756 29-May-2012 01:34

ChickenSoup: Right, so if youtube loads at full speeds I would be expecting slower speed in other applications?
I've been running the pingplotter for a while now tracing google.com. starts off at 30ms, and once in a while it would go up to 501ms and up, then come back down.. and go back up lol...
pretty much what i'd expected

is it every hop? or is it just from your second hop onwards?

ChickenSoup

22 posts

Geek

#631758 29-May-2012 01:37

I set it on 2.5s trace delay, and yea pretty much every 2-3 hop it'll spike up to 500+. Sometimes this lasts for 3 hops before dying down again to 30-50

mercutio

1392 posts

Uber Geek

#631759 29-May-2012 01:38

ChickenSoup: I set it on 2.5s trace delay, and yea pretty much every 2-3 hop it'll spike up to 500+. Sometimes this lasts for 3 hops before dying down again to 30-50

i set it to 1.. it doesn't use much bandwidth and it's easier to read.. it sounds like it's not lasting long (the spikes?)

ChickenSoup

22 posts

Geek

#631760 29-May-2012 01:41

mercutio:
ChickenSoup: I set it on 2.5s trace delay, and yea pretty much every 2-3 hop it'll spike up to 500+. Sometimes this lasts for 3 hops before dying down again to 30-50

i set it to 1.. it doesn't use much bandwidth and it's easier to read.. it sounds like it's not lasting long (the spikes?)

spikes can last from anywhere between 5s to 20s based on the trace delay, yea...

any reason why?.. or is this supposed to be normal?

mercutio

1392 posts

Uber Geek

#631761 29-May-2012 01:43

ChickenSoup:
mercutio:
ChickenSoup: I set it on 2.5s trace delay, and yea pretty much every 2-3 hop it'll spike up to 500+. Sometimes this lasts for 3 hops before dying down again to 30-50

i set it to 1.. it doesn't use much bandwidth and it's easier to read.. it sounds like it's not lasting long (the spikes?)

spikes can last from anywhere between 5s to 20s based on the trace delay, yea...

any reason why?.. or is this supposed to be normal?

i just found this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/31995-43-wireless-internet-large-spikes

fwiw, i don't get spikes like that on wireless.

although it can go a little sluggish when transferring big files over local network.

i'd recommend trying to get at least one of you wired in. (it's likely to be worse with concurrent use)

the other thing you could do is move everyone to different access point. i realise you probably can't replace the router.

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