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gundar
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  #902353 25-Sep-2013 11:46
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With the bandwidth that UFB and VDSL offer, I'd be surprised to see an offering under 500GB, to be honest. I use unlimited for online backups and hidef streaming and can easy go through 500GB in a month and I'm currenlty on ADSL2 :-P

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  #902361 25-Sep-2013 12:07
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Slingshot:
gundar: Maybe slingshot should poll all existing clients to determine the perfect plan requirements to help them scale and provide accordingly - win-win?

I'm waiting for VDSL but would only consider a plan that best matches the abuse of my current unlimited ADSL connection.


I like that idea. It might not get implemented straight away but if we've got a big demand for something that we're not offering then there's the chance that we can get something new built. 

Our biggest capped plan at the moment is 200GB. How big would you guys like to see?

Cheers, Chris




Capped Plans: 
-10,50,100,200,500,1000


Unlimited:
-Unlimited with capped P2P.
-Unlimited with no capped P2P. 
*Have a fair use policy perhaps too.



For us, we just like the unlimited plan as we do not have to worry about overage charges.
Not however as a service to back up the net.  ;)


In all honesty, we are really happy with the service so far from Slingshot and the existing AYCE.
We would just like VDSL for an extra $10 on top of the current $111 we pay as to get slightly lower pings in game, and download from slingshot's steam server a bit faster.




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  #902369 25-Sep-2013 12:18
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I think simple will be easy to maintain and support. Maybe Slingshot would consider offering fewer plans and reinvesting the support and paperwork savings?

So how about 1 year plans:

50, 200, 1000

Cap speed is 1Mb/s

Customer can upgrade or downgrade plans only once every quarter or be penalised for the extra paperwork.

The savings of running a simpler business model can be realised by giving customers better modems on sign up.

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  #902503 25-Sep-2013 15:24
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What about this....

(Disclaimer, I know this is difficult to implement so Slingshot bare with me)


1) User chooses their plan:
10
50
100
200
500
unlimited


2) User chooses their service:
ADSL1/2+
VDSL2
Fibre


3) User chooses their international bandwidth priority.  (Just call it "network priority" for the noobs)

Price:
- Higher priority = more cost.

Priority:
-Low - p2p capped. potentially slower service at peak times. Higher bandwidth contention pool or lower network prioritisation at peak times.
-Med - p2p uncapped. Medium bandwidth contention pool or standard network prioritisation at peak times.
-High - p2p uncapped. Lowest bandwidth contention pool or higher network prioritisation at peak times.



Possible Exception Zones:
-Local traffic (SS caches should be exempt).
-National traffic (National traffic is not where the bottlenecks are)
-Australian destinations reachable directly via the route to equinix peering exchange.




Possible Implementation:
-Configure address ranges which reside in different bandwidth pools.
-Slingshot dishes out addresses based on the speed the user has paid for.
-Slingshot reserves a small address range for people on older / grandfather plans.
-Customers reboot their modem to receive their new IP, corresponding with the associated bandwidth pool.


Interop With Current Prioritisation Service:
-Traffic switched through the network retains the existing prioritisation values based on traffic type.
-Hierarchy is developed where for each bandwidth pool (low, med, high) traffic is prioritised using the existing prioritisation setup.


Bandwidth Pools vs Network Prioritisation:
-If using bandwdith pools, then the total bandwidth will need to be split up, and the bandwidth in the pool is contended amongst the users.
-If using prioritisation, then the total bandwidth does not need to be split up, but higher priority


Expected Service Using The Implementation (Example):
-A user watching twitch TV on a lower priority service, is likely to experience buffering issues at peak time, but the service is cheaper.
-A user watching twitch TV on a medium priority service, may experience buffering issues at peak time, but the service is reasonably priced.
-A user watching twitch TV on a high priority service, is unlikely to experience buffering issues at peak time, but the service incurs additional cost on the monthly bill.


Target Customers:
-Lowest service level = light users (possibly including to AU destinations). Data consumption is 100 Gb or less per month. Little international throughput is needed at any time.
-Med service level =  occasional - medium downloaders. Data consumption is 250 Gb or less per month. Some international throughput is required, enough to play games or do casual downloads.
-High service level =  heavy - frequent downloaders. Data consumption is 250+ Gb per month. High international throughput is required at all times.




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  #902509 25-Sep-2013 15:34
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Oooh that's lovely. I'm going to email that to the lads in charge in fact. Not sure if this is something we have the facilities to be able to do but it never hurts to put through a good suggestion.

Cheers,
Chris




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  #902999 26-Sep-2013 11:45
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Could also / alternatively have "packages" that you can add on to plans to increase the revenue and subsidise the international bandwidth costs, while at the same time being helpful to customers.


Outcome summary:
-Overall cost of plans is lower.
-Heavier users or users with a need for consistent higher speeds pay more.
-Some services subsidise the cost of international bandwidth.



Eg

Local traffic has very little cost compared to other types (national & international).
How to make the most of this:



Local Traffic:

Capped Plans:
-Add a $2 unlimited you tube option.   (zero rate traffic to local google cache)
-Add a $2 unlimited steam / origin option.  (zero rate traffic to local steam & origin caches)

Unlimited Plans:
-N/A





National Traffic:

Capped Plans:
-Add a $10 unlimited national traffic option.   (zero rate national traffic)
-Add a $5 unlimited national "lite" option.   (zero rate national traffic to trade me, and other popular NZ sites)  

Unlimited Plans:
-N/A





International Traffic:

Capped Plans:
-Add a $5 turbo option.   (Better performance during peak times, like the fiber plans do)    

Unlimited Plans:
-Add a $5 turbo option.   (Better performance during peak times, like the fiber plans do)  


*Turbo Option:
-Perhaps this is higher priority or a separate bandwidth pool. 








Plan Purchasing Scheme:

1) User picks phone service:
-POTS
-VOIP
-Naked


2) User picks phone add-ons / toll plans
-Toll packs / plans
-Easy phone features


3) User picks connection type:
xDSL
Fibre


4) User picks data cap:
-Data cap range
-Unlimited with capped p2p
-Unlimited


5) User picks broadband add-ons:
-Turbo
-Unlimited local / national or cache options
-Static IP
-DSL / Fibre / VoIP hardware




Thats about all I have got.

Will now await VDSL patiently (please only $10 more on top of AYCE)   :)









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  #903625 27-Sep-2013 11:38
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is it weird that my speeds never change during peek times? I think having a capped speed p2p plan is pointless for vdsl.

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  #903631 27-Sep-2013 11:54
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Epicwhale: is it weird that my speeds never change during peek times? I think having a capped speed p2p plan is pointless for vdsl.


You're probably on a really robust line profile so you might not be all that affected by peak time congestion.

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

Chris




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  #903810 27-Sep-2013 15:19
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Slingshot:
Epicwhale: is it weird that my speeds never change during peek times? I think having a capped speed p2p plan is pointless for vdsl.


You're probably on a really robust line profile so you might not be all that affected by peak time congestion.   Cheers, Chris


same with me, its great.





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  #905717 1-Oct-2013 13:40
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AdrianD: Hey guys, we have just been advised our VDSL routers will be arriving in October so we can finally get ready for launch. We have decided to keep pricing really simple and will just add $10 a month to any of our new BIG data broadband plans – it might be slightly more on the unlimited plans given the amount of additional bandwidth we will add. Anyway, the team are working frantically on the project now, so we will keep you posted.


Now that it is October, can we get a firm 'yes' or 'no' - does Slingshot provide VDSL?

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  #905720 1-Oct-2013 13:49
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gundar:
AdrianD: Hey guys, we have just been advised our VDSL routers will be arriving in October so we can finally get ready for launch. We have decided to keep pricing really simple and will just add $10 a month to any of our new BIG data broadband plans – it might be slightly more on the unlimited plans given the amount of additional bandwidth we will add. Anyway, the team are working frantically on the project now, so we will keep you posted.


Now that it is October, can we get a firm 'yes' or 'no' - does Slingshot provide VDSL?


he said the routers would be arriving IN october,  not on October 1st

But the fact they are ordering routers does mean that, yes, slingshot will be doing VDSL.

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  #905723 1-Oct-2013 13:52
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So the 1st of October does not count as being in October?

The fact that they are ordering routers means nothing.

I think it's a pretty straight forward question and I thank you for your view.

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  #905730 1-Oct-2013 14:00
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gundar: So the 1st of October does not count as being in October?

The fact that they are ordering routers means nothing.

I think it's a pretty straight forward question and I thank you for your view.


of course it does,  but there are 30 other days in October when their routers could arrive so it is pretty unlikely that anything will have changed from yesterday.

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