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#1044878 14-May-2014 15:39

The new 150GB plans all include unlimited nights (1am-7am). ^MC

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#1044944 14-May-2014 17:03

RalphFromSnap: The new 150GB plans all include unlimited nights (1am-7am). ^MC

Good to know, thanks Michelle. That does make it a little better, but I still feel that for naked VDSL the 80GB plan + datapack is more flexible for just $1 more per month (ends up offering a bit more data 180GB vs 150GB) And in my case I don't need the datapack most months so actually only pay $85 most months with the occasional month at $100.

IMHO if the 150GB plan were changed 180GB (to match what you get for a $15 datapack) and offered at $95 per month, then it would probably make more sense to me - i.e. be clearly better than the 80GB with 100GB datapack. :)

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#1045012 14-May-2014 18:11

What about business customers? We pay hundreds per month and we still have a relatively small cap.

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#1045079 14-May-2014 19:37

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RalphFromSnap: The new 150GB plans all include unlimited nights (1am-7am). ^MC

Good to know, thanks Michelle. That does make it a little better, but I still feel that for naked VDSL the 80GB plan + datapack is more flexible for just $1 more per month (ends up offering a bit more data 180GB vs 150GB) And in my case I don't need the datapack most months so actually only pay $85 most months with the occasional month at $100.

IMHO if the 150GB plan were changed 180GB (to match what you get for a $15 datapack) and offered at $95 per month, then it would probably make more sense to me - i.e. be clearly better than the 80GB with 100GB datapack. :)

Whats this $15 datapack you speak of?
I see $10 and $20 of additional data, but none are even close to $15 for 100gb? Or are you referring to the old plans?

Snap: If we have a complimentary plan bonus, eg the bonus Truenet data for example, does this carry over when changing plans? What about if moving from say, VDSL to UFB?

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#1045112 14-May-2014 20:29

Snap: If we have a complimentary plan bonus, eg the bonus Truenet data for example, does this carry over when changing plans? What about if moving from say, VDSL to UFB?

bonus Truenet data? I thought Truenet probes were anon?

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#1045137 14-May-2014 21:30

Hi eXDee

Any bonus/complimentary data on your account would be carried over if you changed to a new plan (of any service type).

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#1045150 14-May-2014 22:02

PhantomNVD:
Snap: If we have a complimentary plan bonus, eg the bonus Truenet data for example, does this carry over when changing plans? What about if moving from say, VDSL to UFB?

bonus Truenet data? I thought Truenet probes were anon?

Back when snap didn't have enough truenet volunteers to have statistical significance on truenets graphs, they put out an offer for people to become testers if they got a bit of extra data to cover the data used by testing. Truenet seemed to support this too. It was a limited time offer, just so they could get enough testers to have results published - of which they then proceded to beat the competition by a decent margin back then!

RalphFromSnap: Hi eXDee

Any bonus/complimentary data on your account would be carried over if you changed to a new plan (of any service type).

Cheers
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That's great to hear i won't lose anything going to UFB in the near future :D

Now to decide precisely which plan...

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#1045181 14-May-2014 22:25

SamF: Thanks, didn't see that. Hmm, in which case, I fear for my Internet performance :/

Time to hunt for a new ISP...

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#1045199 14-May-2014 23:08

eXDee:
Whats this $15 datapack you speak of?
I see $10 and $20 of additional data, but none are even close to $15 for 100gb? Or are you referring to the old plans?

Hmm, I am on a grandfathered plan, but didn't realise that datapacks were grandfathered too(?) How much does the $10 pack give you? My lowest option on the datapack list is $15 for 100GB.

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#1045262 15-May-2014 07:31

nate:
SamF: Thanks, didn't see that. Hmm, in which case, I fear for my Internet performance :/

Time to hunt for a new ISP...

...and move to another ISP who offers unlimited?

When will people get it through their heads that by increasing data caps performance will not change.

As an unlimited user I am still going to be downloading/uploading at the same speed as I was when I was on a data pack.

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#1045273 15-May-2014 07:37

cjmchch: As an unlimited user I am still going to be downloading/uploading at the same speed as I was when I was on a data pack.

Unlimited users will likely consume more resources, reducing the resources available to others. Say you have unlimited bandwidth, why wouldn't you and every other unlimited user let your linux iso torrents upload 24/7 instead of just until you reach 1:1? Maybe you watch more content in 1080p instead of 720p or lower.

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#1045276 15-May-2014 07:45

timmmay:
cjmchch: As an unlimited user I am still going to be downloading/uploading at the same speed as I was when I was on a data pack.

Unlimited users will likely consume more resources, reducing the resources available to others. Say you have unlimited bandwidth, why wouldn't you and every other unlimited user let your linux iso torrents upload 24/7 instead of just until you reach 1:1? Maybe you watch more content in 1080p instead of 720p or lower.

some not all. If I was doing that, I wouldnt have any more bandwidth available to me for other things (eg streaming a movie would stutter and be terrible). Sure I could pause the torrent when I want to do that, but that would soon get annoying so I would stop seeding the torrent.

there will be users who maybe max out their lines 24/7, but most users wont (thats a safe assumption IMO).

Personally the only thing that will change for me is not worrying about my cap when downloading a steam game and having to mess around with scheduling (which is a pita). everything else will remain the same, ill watch the same amount of streaming services at the same times (which is most nights after 5pm).

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#1045284 15-May-2014 08:07

timmmay:
cjmchch: As an unlimited user I am still going to be downloading/uploading at the same speed as I was when I was on a data pack.

Unlimited users will likely consume more resources, reducing the resources available to others. Say you have unlimited bandwidth, why wouldn't you and every other unlimited user let your linux iso torrents upload 24/7 instead of just until you reach 1:1? Maybe you watch more content in 1080p instead of 720p or lower.

Nothing to do with performance - performance is speed and connectivity/reliability = nothing to do with the amount you download or upload.

Look at it this way...(in simple terms)

Two identical cars travelling on the same road side by side at the same speed (performance), the only difference is Car A has 50L of fuel (data pack), Car B has 100L and more than enough to complete the entire journey (unlimited).

They both have identical performance, they both travel exactly the same distance in the same time until A runs out of fuel. He can then top up and carry on or he can stay where he is. Car B carries on as before...

Add a few more cars to the equation (consumers) then you can have congestion if the road is not wide enough to take the additional traffic, not caused by the performance of the cars, but purely by the number of cars. If however, the road owner (ISP) make his road wider and big enough to take all the traffic then the congestion is eliminated.

As you can see, the performance/speed has got nothing to do with congestion, nor does the amount of data you use, it is purely based on the number of consumers the ISP and the available pipe to fit those customers on.

Lets say an ISP had 5000 customers who are on 100Mbit plans with data packs of 500Gb and the ISP is working at max speed and connectivity capacity with those customers and they all took up the offer of going unlimited. What will happen to their performance? Nothing - because the only thing that has changed is the amount of fuel they are carrying...

Now the ISP joins up another 500 members, will things slow down, will performance be affected, yes, because the road isn't wide enough to take them all until such time as the road is made big enough to take them all.

I dare say that SNAP's highway has a fair few lanes spare otherwise they wouldn't be doing it the way they have.

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#1045285 15-May-2014 08:11

reven:

some not all. If I was doing that, I wouldnt have any more bandwidth available to me for other things (eg streaming a movie would stutter and be terrible). Sure I could pause the torrent when I want to do that, but that would soon get annoying so I would stop seeding the torrent.

there will be users who maybe max out their lines 24/7, but most users wont (thats a safe assumption IMO).

Personally the only thing that will change for me is not worrying about my cap when downloading a steam game and having to mess around with scheduling (which is a pita). everything else will remain the same, ill watch the same amount of streaming services at the same times (which is most nights after 5pm).

Several things are going to happen.

People will stop actively minimising data use - ie, watch the 1080p version instead of 720p, or update the ipods/ipad apps on each device rather than just on itunes. In the past, I used to manually download MS patches and apply to my machines (although I stopped that sometime ago because datapacks got big).

Torrent use may increase -- this is similar to leaving your phone off the hook, it ties up a lot of resource.

Timing of usage will change -- the 1am -7am offpeak usage will shift to peak times .

I remember when I joined on telecom jetstream (adsl) back in 2003 --- 2gb data a month. It was a real juggling act. Just 11 years later, look at where we are. Imagine 10 years from now.

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#1045286 15-May-2014 08:12

I don't think your analogies are quite right. Snap will have a fixed amount of international bandwidth, which can of course be grown, but is expensive. If some users start using more bandwidth then less will be available for others, slowing performance.

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