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  #116656 14-Mar-2008 17:45
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Hey Duncan,

Could you please clarify something for me -

I'm currently on the Orcon Friends & Family package (FS/FS 40GB), and would like to increase the data allowance. However, I'd like to keep the line with Telecom for now, so is it possible to have Orcon+ and still retain Telecom's homeline service?

Also, since the homeline provided by Orcon is essentially VoIP delivered as POTS, has any testing been done relating to monitorerd alarms, faxing, and the likes?

Cheers :)

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  #116657 14-Mar-2008 17:45

richgamer: why are less than 20 auckland exchanges activated for orcon's dsl2 service? does anyone know how much exchanges there are in total in auckland and is orcon going to activate dsl2 on all of them?


Telecom is opening up exchanges on a relatively small scale (the latest batch for the next quarter is 20 exchanges). LLU customers can only go where the exchanges are opened up.

I believe there are 42 exchanges in Auckland and as I wrote earlier in the thread:

"By the end of the year Vodafone will have all 42 exchanges in Auckland unbundled and a further 20 exchanges in other centres as we’re allowed to, giving us the biggest unbundled network in the country."

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  #116664 14-Mar-2008 18:08
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Haha now you're getting a bit borderline on shameless self promotion Paul WinkTongue out

At last count, I believe there was 57 exchanges in the Auckland LICA (Local Interconnect Calling Area). But note, some of them may be in the same physical BUILDING, so maybe there are 42 physical exchange buildings.

The codes for the exchanges (Sorry, I don't have the actual name of the location - this is pulled from a database I used to use) are:

ALY MWN
AT NLN
AVD NTS
BD OAA
BEA OH
BHB ON
BKL PAK
BSY PGA
CD POP
DA POY
ELL RCM
ETM RKW
FOR RUE
GDW SHB
GLE SLE
GLF TAT
GNH TBY
HCK TGN
HSN TIS
HUN TMK
KA TNA
KME WAK
MAB WEI
MDR WH
MKY WHD
MNR WM
MOD WUA
MRE  
MSY  
MTL  



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#116684 14-Mar-2008 19:12

duncanblair:
Yep, this is a standard POTS line for customers (will work in power outages etc...), the magic happens from our equipment.

Duncan Blair
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Hi Duncan, could you mention whos equipment are you using?




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  #116685 14-Mar-2008 19:20
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Nokia Siemens Networks provides most, if not all, of their gear, from what I understand.

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  #116687 14-Mar-2008 19:23
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This is from their press information:


Connections & equipment
The equipment is being supplied by Nokia Siemens Networks and is called MSAN.
Orcon has been working on the project since the government announced the local loop would be unbundled - that was in May 2006. Orcon has been testing the new service for seven months.

The switch-over of customers from Telecom has to be done at the telephone exchange and generally takes around half a day.


The timeline for other exchanges
Orcon’s focus is on Auckland initially and expects to have at least 15 exchanges connected by the end of May. The aim is to roll out in Wellington in the fourth quarter of this year and in Christchurch in the second half of 2009. Orcon is focusing on major metropolitan areas because its customers are in those areas.





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Currently Xnet Naked DSL is better value TBH.  Only good thing about Orcon is that ATA is @ exchange so phone will work without house wiring and when power is out.   Data seems to be cheaper than Xnet only for high volume users. 



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One question, for Duncanblair, while I'm not in area for LLU just yet (Te Atatu), I understand that Orcon have a resale agreement with Vodafone for mobile service (moderator, please move this post if I have the wrong forum). Having been a 021 customer since Bellsouth era, when will Orcon be able to offer a complete package: landline, ADSL and mobile, in one neat little wrapper? Sometime time ago, when 021 coverage was a bit rubbish in Te Atatu North,  I looked at a move to Telecom, and canned the idea when I realised that the plans were essentially the same and that I was dealing with a duopoly that would not budge on price. Vodafone since improved the coverage, but I'm stuck with an old plan (Get 200) as I don't see a viable replacement at the magic $30 mark that gets me the off-peak airtime to any NZ number. Do Orcon plan to enter the mobile arena anytime soon, to compliment the new LLU (and not so LLU) plans?
Comments anyone?

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  #116704 14-Mar-2008 21:13
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manhinli: Another thing, the plans don't state the speeds.

I'm guessing that the LLU ones are ADSL2+ Full/Full, but what about the general ones?



that would be nice but i think they are FS/128 Money mouth

and only FS/FS on the darer accounts, and i see they've gone back to the crappy dynalink RTA1320 modems that were prone to overheating and failure.Frown

these things are so bad i chopped open the top to put a HSF on the Broadcom chip just to stop it from locking up every couple of hours, atleast the siemens speedstream 4200 is a much better modem/router i dont know why they didn't stick with theseSmile.

as for all the LLU cuffufill i'll get back to you in two to three years when it's actully available here in napier

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Athlonite: that would be nice but i think they are FS/128 Money mouth

and only FS/FS on the darer accounts, and i see they've gone back to the crappy dynalink RTA1320 modems that were prone to overheating and failure.Frown

Found that one out already...





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  #116712 14-Mar-2008 22:04
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Radiotron: One question, for Duncanblair, while I'm not in area for LLU just yet (Te Atatu), I understand that Orcon have a resale agreement with Vodafone for mobile service (moderator, please move this post if I have the wrong forum). Having been a 021 customer since Bellsouth era, when will Orcon be able to offer a complete package: landline, ADSL and mobile, in one neat little wrapper? Sometime time ago, when 021 coverage was a bit rubbish in Te Atatu North, I looked at a move to Telecom, and canned the idea when I realised that the plans were essentially the same and that I was dealing with a duopoly that would not budge on price. Vodafone since improved the coverage, but I'm stuck with an old plan (Get 200) as I don't see a viable replacement at the magic $30 mark that gets me the off-peak airtime to any NZ number. Do Orcon plan to enter the mobile arena anytime soon, to compliment the new LLU (and not so LLU) plans?
Comments anyone?


Orcon Mobile is coming very soon - I believe the last official word was February, but it looks like it's been delayed again, presumably they are still negotiating the final details with Vodafone (and Paul Brislen might be trying to intimidate them out of the market with his ninjas and black helicopters Wink)


EDIT:
While we're on the subject of Mobile (which is a little OT for this discussion, so if it goes much further probably wise to start a new thread), I know you're not able to disclose any plan information just yet Duncan, but are you able to comment on the market Orcon Mobile will be targeting? What I'm trying to get at is, will the plans be more "low cost" plans, or will they be aimed at the higher end of the market?

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  #116727 15-Mar-2008 01:09

willnz: Nokia Siemens Networks provides most, if not all, of their gear, from what I understand.


I've heard from someone that Orcon's new ADSL2+ network is the world's first in ....
Can anybody (Duncan maybe?) tell me if it's true and what is it exactly?




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#116728 15-Mar-2008 01:14

Nah I found it:

"Orcon is the first carrier in the world to be offering unbundled voice and data without customers having to change their analogue phones. Using Nokia Siemens Network's multi service access node (MSAN) technology, the company is able to offer ADSL2+, VDSL2, and G Pond for future fibre to homes.

Bartlett is also plugging the launch of SIP POTS technology as a 'world first'. The technology the company is using means that customers can continue using an analogue phone because the MSAN converts voice into VoIP or SIP automatically."


Is it true?

 





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Aloha:

Is it true?

No.  It's not.  First in New Zealand perhaps, but definitely not in the world.  Unless they mean first NSN customer to do it, in which case it's possible - although I thought there were some ISPs in Australia doing it with NSN kit as well.

(And what is G Pond? Some kind of passive networking over frogs?)

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  #116739 15-Mar-2008 08:29
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Where is Orcon's VoIP offering? While offering a POTS service is great what about those customers who want a true SIP service and use SIP phones rather than sticking with analogue phones? I thought that it was supposed to be launched at the same time?

Will a customer be able to receive 2 phone lines if they require them using the new LLU pots service? I'm guessing that this isn't going to be a service that will be available due to the high cost of the 2nd copper pair from Telecom.

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