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  Reply # 2173588 5-Feb-2019 17:53
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Of course it's possible. The idea of 'needing' an enterprise-class router to get 10gbit is ludicrous.

 

 

 

Honestly, sometimes it seems like Geekzone has become TechSupportZone. I come on here for discussions about the leading edge of NZ tech and networking, and most of what I end up reading is "STOP USING WIFI" and "stop wanting cool things" or "that's not practical for most people so why do you want it".

 

 

 

Sure, 10gbit is useless now. But holy sh!t is it not AWESOME?! Is that not crazy? People in this trial have the *highest capacity residential internet connections in the WORLD*. I remember not long ago Tokyo and Seoul ISPs talking about how they were deploying 2/3gbit connections, and those cities are internet leaders. The BEST internet, in tiny old isolated NZ! I grew up being told that our internet was always going to suck due to our location in the world.

 

 

 

If you can't get even a little excited about this, are you really a geek? This is the pinnacle of geekdom.


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  Reply # 2174250 7-Feb-2019 07:41
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Why do you always have to be right when you show up very 6 months @Ripdog :) 
But yea, we should be more for than like a corporate who wants a use case for every upgrade. 





 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2175118 8-Feb-2019 17:10
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Ripdog, your post really perked me up. I agree 100% - who cares why someone needs it or even if they don't. Cutting edge is great, it's geek, and we still live in a free country.  


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  Reply # 2175159 8-Feb-2019 18:35
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dt:

 

geekiegeek:

 

Thats your internal network. You will also need a 10Gb capable router which you won't be getting from your local Noel Leeming etc. and will likely be prohibitively expensive and more complex to configure as it will be enterprise grade.

 

 

Im personally running a pfsense router so wouldn't be that much of a big deal for me to buy another 10gb nic to connect the router into my switch.. thats of course if its all possible.. 

 

 

Good luck getting linespeed 10G over PPPoE on pfsense.

 

 

 

due to the single threaded nature, many struggle with even gbit.





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  Reply # 2175161 8-Feb-2019 18:40
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ripdog:

 

Of course it's possible. The idea of 'needing' an enterprise-class router to get 10gbit is ludicrous.

 

 

 

Honestly, sometimes it seems like Geekzone has become TechSupportZone. I come on here for discussions about the leading edge of NZ tech and networking, and most of what I end up reading is "STOP USING WIFI" and "stop wanting cool things" or "that's not practical for most people so why do you want it".

 

 

 

Sure, 10gbit is useless now. But holy sh!t is it not AWESOME?! Is that not crazy? People in this trial have the *highest capacity residential internet connections in the WORLD*. I remember not long ago Tokyo and Seoul ISPs talking about how they were deploying 2/3gbit connections, and those cities are internet leaders. The BEST internet, in tiny old isolated NZ! I grew up being told that our internet was always going to suck due to our location in the world.

 

 

 

If you can't get even a little excited about this, are you really a geek? This is the pinnacle of geekdom.

 

 

Totally agree!

Think we are all a little frigle from the techsupport zone that when new tech comes along like this we just go a silent yay...

most of us should be able to rember the 56k and slowler days and that was only what 25ish years ago.. now 2019 we are able to delploy 10gbit connections to our homes and why?? because we can.

 

Also how many remeber the tv program Beyond 2000 im pretty sure they never predicted 10gbit connections I know I never did.

 

So like @ripdog says lets get excited about the technology advances


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  Reply # 2175170 8-Feb-2019 19:39
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geekiegeek:


Thats your internal network. You will also need a 10Gb capable router which you won't be getting from your local Noel Leeming etc. and will likely be prohibitively expensive and more complex to configure as it will be enterprise grade.



Im personally running a pfsense router so wouldn't be that much of a big deal for me to buy another 10gb nic to connect the router into my switch.. thats of course if its all possible.. 



Good luck getting linespeed 10G over PPPoE on pfsense.


 


due to the single threaded nature, many struggle with even gbit.



Sounds like pfsense is targeting multicore pppoe for version 3 - although god knows when that will come out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PFSENSE/comments/6vlilb/any_plan_to_have_multicore_pppoe_for_2530/

The good thing is that for routing and firewall in freebsd is already multicore, so IPoE ISPs won't have this issue.

I do hope that 2degrees will one day move away from pppoe. It seems very much like a dead end technology and a performance bottleneck.

(Oh, and thanks for the kind words folks. :))

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  Reply # 2175171 8-Feb-2019 19:42
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ripdog: The good thing is that for routing and firewall in freebsd is already multicore, so IPoE ISPs won't have this issue.

I do hope that 2degrees will one day move away from pppoe. It seems very much like a dead end technology and a performance bottleneck.

(Oh, and thanks for the kind words folks. :))

 

the sad truth is, there are alot of benefits to the user experience using PPPoE.

 

 

 

Assuming everything is always roses and dandelions yeah, DHCP does win. but that's not the real world.

 

It will be interesting to see how providers handle 10G should it come to the general market like 1G.





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  Reply # 2175208 8-Feb-2019 19:53
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hio77:

 

the sad truth is, there are alot of benefits to the user experience using PPPoE.

 

 

 

Assuming everything is always roses and dandelions yeah, DHCP does win. but that's not the real world.

 

It will be interesting to see how providers handle 10G should it come to the general market like 1G.

 

 

 

 

Can you expand on the benefits? I've never known of those. DHCP is great for user experience because (assuming port-based auth) it's literally zero-config and supported by everything (well, except the bloody VLAN10 thing).


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  Reply # 2175323 8-Feb-2019 22:58
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PPPoE lets the connection be killed, whereas if there is a fallover within the network on DHCP you have to wait for the lease to run out in most cases. So "the internet stops till I turned it off and on again" happens. More of a problem on cable where the network is a fragile piece of copper.





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  Reply # 2176173 11-Feb-2019 09:44
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hio77:

 

dt:

 

geekiegeek:

 

Thats your internal network. You will also need a 10Gb capable router which you won't be getting from your local Noel Leeming etc. and will likely be prohibitively expensive and more complex to configure as it will be enterprise grade.

 

 

Im personally running a pfsense router so wouldn't be that much of a big deal for me to buy another 10gb nic to connect the router into my switch.. thats of course if its all possible.. 

 

 

Good luck getting linespeed 10G over PPPoE on pfsense.

 

 

 

due to the single threaded nature, many struggle with even gbit.

 

 

 

 

I dont know enough about it, is the 10gb trail pppoe only? Im on gig with orcon who use DHCP and pfsense handles it without breaking a sweat 


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michaelmurfy: Question is - why?

You likely don’t have a 10Gbit network or any need for it. Most people don’t even need Gigabit. I doubt you have any ability to ultilise it if you were to ever get it.


The answer to this question with any new technology there is always the first adopters. I think this has a benefit to the general stability of the internet, these first adopters will essentially stress test the system & procedures paving a smoother reliable service for the later adopters.





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