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ir1141
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  #173952 27-Oct-2008 21:33
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i dunno, just what i got told. why do they have microwave dishes then?

 
 
 

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  #173968 27-Oct-2008 23:15
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I found a funny submission from Econet to ComCom

Vodafone colocation

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#174040 28-Oct-2008 12:42
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I've been doing a scan for networks every couple of weeks. Last time I did it, NZ Communications weren't showing up, now they are. I'm in Linwood in Christchurch.





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  #174083 28-Oct-2008 14:47

steveonz: I found a funny submission from Econet to ComCom

Vodafone colocation


Yeah. Do you know when NZ Comms last asked to co-locate anything on a Vodafone tower?

2006.

They asked for 30 odd sites... we agreed immediately to 26 or so and agreed to take it further... and that was the last we heard.

I believe Telecom is in a similar position.

We've just signed a heads of agreement with the company to give them access to 116 towers. There are a few hurdles still to jump of course, like the resource management act and getting land owners' consent (and they typically need to be paid), but basically it's up to NZ Comms now. We sold them spectrum at a huge discount. We've signed a roaming agreement. We've given them a new-entrant leg-up and we've signed this heads of agreement deal.

Short of actually telling 250,000 customers "you now must move to NZ Comms" I don't know what we can do.

Cheers

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  #174095 28-Oct-2008 15:31
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Hello, I do understand they are being a tad difficult, just do some research on the Tuanz site and see what they say about NZ comms. I found it funny thats all.
At the end of the day all I want is a Plan very similar to the Vodafone 'Starter,' but with cell-cell calling at the rate I pay on my VOIP phone of $0.30/min, not to mention a better data plan. Heck ild do away with my VOIP phone and just have a cell for my business if I got that. I feel paying $100+/mo is far too much for a phone.

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  #174115 28-Oct-2008 16:00
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Yeah. Do you know when NZ Comms last asked to co-locate anything on a Vodafone tower?

2006.

They asked for 30 odd sites... we agreed immediately to 26 or so and agreed to take it further... and that was the last we heard.

I believe Telecom is in a similar position.

We've just signed a heads of agreement with the company to give them access to 116 towers. There are a few hurdles still to jump of course, like the resource management act and getting land owners' consent (and they typically need to be paid), but basically it's up to NZ Comms now. We sold them spectrum at a huge discount. We've signed a roaming agreement. We've given them a new-entrant leg-up and we've signed this heads of agreement deal.

Short of actually telling 250,000 customers "you now must move to NZ Comms" I don't know what we can do.

Cheers

Paul


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Paul

Why should NZ Comms enter the marketplace until the issue of high mobile to mobile termination rates gets sorted out.
I note in France mobile companies have just been regulated by their government to get the high cost of calling down.

Read all about it.


France to Cut Mobile Termination Rates

­The French telecoms regulator, Arcep has announced plans to start regulating mobile termination rates, and require a gradual reduction in the rates charged to landline operators over the next few years.

In this Decision, Arcep set the ceiling tariffs that operators could charge for mobile voice call termination up to 30 June 2009. The Authority has today launched a public consultation on its draft decision concerning the rate control plan to which the three mobile operators will be subject during the period running from 1 July 2009 to 31 December 2010.

Because mobile voice call termination rates and the constraints involved in altering retail offers have a fundamental effect on the sector, a transitional period is needed to give the market time to adapt. The operators have underscored the fact that too radical adjustment of wholesale prices could undermine market stability by creating opportunities for circumvention, for instance, or by upsetting the balance of certain offers.

As a result, the Authority believes that, although incremental costs can constitute a more suitable relevant cost concept, this cost level needs to be attained over a transitional period of several years.

Under these circumstances, the Authority proposes to pursue its policy of a progressive and pragmatic decrease in call termination rates by imposing a decrease, as of 1 July 2009, in the mobile call termination rate from 6.5 to 4.5 eurocents/minute for Orange France and SFR, and from 8.5 to 6 eurocents/minute for Bouygues Telecom, and a second decrease as of 1 July 2010 from 4.5 to 3 eurocents/minute for Orange France and SFR, and from 6 to 4 eurocents/minute for Bouygues Telecom.

These rates are to be compared to the corresponding cost estimates of an efficient operator which, for 2008, range from 1 to 2.9 eurocents, depending on the calculation method employed.

Posted to the site on 26th October 2008

Posted to: www.cellular-news.com/story/34309.php



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  #174120 28-Oct-2008 16:04
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NZ Comms should just give up now; they are already beyond a joke, but launching with a 2G GSM network?

Forget it.

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  #174126 28-Oct-2008 16:10
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nzbnw:

NZ Comms should just give up now; they are already beyond a joke, but launching with a 2G GSM network?

Forget it.

nzbnw <p


Considering there is alot of people still on GSM?.... thats a pretty silly comment.

I can see contruction of a new tower from my office and there is another one they are weorking right now above my house. I dont think they will give up....


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  #174127 28-Oct-2008 16:14

Tex? Is that you??

Seriously now, you're saying mobile termination rates is what's stopping NZ Comms from launching in New Zealand?

Are you sure it hasn't got anything to do with:

underestimating how long it takes to build a network;
underestimating the cost of building a network;
messing about for donkey's years with Econet, a company that clearly didn't want to spend any money at all.

NZ Comms has received:

$4 million of public funding to get started.
Discounted spectrum from Vodafone.
Discounted spectrum from the govt auction of 2GHz spectrum.
Mobile roaming agreement with Vodafone.
Interconnection agreement with new-entrant discount from Vodafone.
Co-location heads of agreement for 116 towers with Vodafone.

That's just our side of the fence. Telecom's sold them spectrum at a discounted rate and I don't know what else.

Honestly, if you count in the Econet Era as well this has been dragging on for nearly eight years now.
Personally, I don't count the Econet years because they clearly had no interest in launching. I'd start the clock on NZ Comms from the time it became NZ Comms and Econet walked away. With that in mind they've done a lot in a short space of time... but the reason they haven't launched has little to do with what Vodafone hasn't done for them and more to do with them wanting to see just how much they can squeeze out of the regulatory process first.




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  #174137 28-Oct-2008 16:28
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The only reason we al care so much... I because we all know we are paying way too much. After researching this topic for the past 7 years I know the arguments pf the high price we pay… but it’s inexcusable for charging us all so much!

Heck a friend of mine called from his Cell in USA to NZ, he only paid US $0.03 per minute.


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  #174138 28-Oct-2008 16:31
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steveonz: Considering there is alot of people still on GSM?.... thats a pretty silly comment.

I can see contruction of a new tower from my office and there is another one they are weorking right now above my house. I dont think they will give up....


Yes I understand that, but GSM is old hat. Let’s just say they do get off the ground here, and launch nationwide with 2G EDGE (native coverage) and 2G GPRS roaming, they will likely limit their appeal to customers who are likely to have low ARPU. At some stage they are going to have to introduce 3G, either via a roaming / wholesale agreement or by themselves if they wish to attract customers who use 3G data services, such as video, mobile data cards etc.

Why not just install 3G technology now instead of wasting more money? 3G can be used to satisfy those who wish to only call and text, and make use of other 3G services.

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  #174143 28-Oct-2008 16:44
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A friend of mine at chorus said it was 3G he hocked up… And it was defiantly NZ Comms, aparntly they are in a big rush.. Saying something about “Rain is not an excuse”

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  #174145 28-Oct-2008 16:49
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steveonz: The only reason we al care so much... I because we all know we are paying way too much. After researching this topic for the past 7 years I know the arguments pf the high price we pay… but it’s inexcusable for charging us all so much!

Heck a friend of mine called from his Cell in USA to NZ, he only paid US $0.03 per minute.

An I can call from my 2talk SIP account a US Mobile for NZ0.05 cent / minute.. though I have a feeling that the US mobile also pays 5c perminute as well..





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  #174155 28-Oct-2008 17:02
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steveonz: A friend of mine at chorus said it was 3G he hocked up… And it was defiantly NZ Comms, aparntly they are in a big rush.. Saying something about “Rain is not an excuse”


Interesting would be nie to hear from them as to if they are going down the 2100Mhz path or using 900Mhz.

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  #174158 28-Oct-2008 17:05
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Ill have to check, though I have the feeling its on the 850mhz (telecom 10mhz) side... I Could be wrong.

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