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cshwone
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  #3113984 10-Aug-2023 07:07
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And another dissatisfied customer. Same thing happened to my wife on pre-pay yesterday. Had to top up before she could use my shared data again.


 
 
 

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  #3113996 10-Aug-2023 07:44
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I just spoke with customer care. Their reply was disgusting.

They reviewed the product and realised no other telco offered shared SIM with no plan for consumers. So it was removed.

My reply was along the lines of 2D being different to the other telcos is why we are customers in the first place!

Sounds like they have definitely lost their way and the reverse takeover by Viocus is destroying the once-great 2D brand.

Today I will moving my extended family with over 25 mobile connections ( excluding the data SIM’s) and 9
broadband connections over to other provider as they used this feature for the kids iPads!

RIP 2D



Edit:Typo and added info.

It's actually 34 connections including the data only SIM’s

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  #3114027 10-Aug-2023 09:26
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Does affect users who have purchased the $25 p.m calls and txt addon for another number from their main account ? I have one for my Father in law and then use shared data as well.



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  #3114033 10-Aug-2023 09:49
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2degrees really have lost their way and gone sharply downhill, and this has only accelerated in the last 18 months. I dropped them a while back, and over the last few years have encouraged many of my family and friends to do the same.

 

They used to be the sharpest priced, most friendly, most innovative telco of the three. Now they are routinely price parity to the others or even more expensive, are usually late to the party on features and promos and have easily the worst customer service of the three. It's genuinely impressive to be worse than One/Vodafone at customer service, but 2degrees have achieved it.

 

Now, to push a fairly significant change to a product's proposition, with what appears to be zero notice, and in a way that reeks of not really caring if you break the law or mislead customers - in fact, not even caring if you update your own website - it's pretty appalling 2degrees.

 

FWIW I can't remember the last time I heard from a happy 2degrees customer, but I hear from plenty of unhappy ones.


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  #3114058 10-Aug-2023 10:37
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Delorean: I just spoke with customer care. Their reply was disgusting.

They reviewed the product and realised no other telco offered shared SIM with no plan for consumers. So it was removed.

 

The excuse I got was:

 

"We found it hard because sims are supposed to expire after a year of no topup and yet we've got a whole lot of sims out there that have never been topped up."

 

It made no sense. They've been managing this fine for years and it is easy to figure out if a sim has data sharing to it. This is all an excuse to cash grab but the way 2degrees have done this is actually rather harmful considering many customers simply won't have any idea the policy has changed here and why their stuff has stopped working.

 

Reminder - 2degrees have pulled this stunt in the past too: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=284198 

 

2degrees - I get it, you hate data sharing but your customers love it because it allows them to share data to tablets and even use IoT devices with ease. When you did the last change with the endless data plans I lost all trust in you and the brand and actually started shifting things away. I was a high spend customer with 2 connections and used data sharing extensively but these days I have my main mobiles with another company and only have the 2degrees sim as a backup and data share to only a few devices. It is that trust you keep screwing up with your customers that drives them away. Right now, I have zero trust in you and am likely just going to move away fully. You're not fighting for fair here and whoever approved this change clearly doesn't understand their customers or how much harm this can potentially do considering you have no idea if there are even health devices being shared to on top of the other IoT things.

 

I'm not going to bang on about this much more. I'm still holding back my words and as a moderator I could put some profanity in my posts to make more of a point. The truth is I expected this sort of thing to happen as it is just clear that 2degrees simply hates data sharing. I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.





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  #3114089 10-Aug-2023 11:55
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I have lodged a complaint on Commerce Commission website regarding changing term of services without notifying customers.


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  #3114094 10-Aug-2023 12:27
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Well this is a massive disappointment. Like you this is the first I've herd of this change.

 

My business has a pay monthly account with 2 Degrees. I've searched our email history and can't find any notification of this change.

 

This was the one reason we haven't considered moving providers. Now we will be moving.

 

Its a shame that the big players in the telco industry are in a race to the bottom, there doesn't seem to be a option for those that want to pay for a better solution with support (even if it costs more).




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  #3114118 10-Aug-2023 13:56
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Another annoyed customer here, only found out this morning when my mobile hotspot device (which uses shared data from my phone plan) stopped working. 
No email notice/warning, only after logging into the hotspot device I found an SMS in the inbox (which I wouldn't normally check), which said what others have mentioned in this thread.

 

Might start looking at moving our mobile plans back to Skinny (were with them previously, before moving to 2degrees specifically for shared data).
May have to reasses our 2degrees fibre as well.


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  #3114122 10-Aug-2023 14:03
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Seems like there could be a bigger problem. So I share my data with wife and two daughters. (Checked in the app and still there). SWMBO lost her data yesterday and did a $20 top up. That has just hit zero in less than 24 hours with no calls or texts. So I can only assume it's data usage.

 

I checked my account and all three numbers were active on data sharing on the 8th (from the usage) but from yesterday it's only me using the data.

 

Time for a call to 2 degrees :(


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  #3114124 10-Aug-2023 14:08
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cshwone:

Seems like there could be a bigger problem. So I share my data with wife and two daughters. (Checked in the app and still there). SWMBO lost her data yesterday and did a $20 top up. That has just hit zero in less than 24 hours with no calls or texts. So I can only assume it's data usage.


I checked my account and all three numbers were active on data sharing on the 8th (from the usage) but from yesterday it's only me using the data.


Time for a call to 2 degrees :(



It's not just a top up you have to do, you have to top up then activate one of these plans https://www.2degrees.nz/mobile-plans/prepay

She has smoked through that 20 bucks on the casual data rate of 50c/MB

cshwone
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  #3114131 10-Aug-2023 14:19
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Thanks Scott. That was enough to cancel me on my hold with 2 degrees.

 

What on earth are they up to? A major change with no advice to customers. As the person sharing the data I have received absolutely zero information about this.


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  #3114132 10-Aug-2023 14:22
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This is nothing more than a cash grab by 2degrees to push people to use recurring prepay plans. Imagine if they have 10,000 moving to a $10mth pre pay plan because of this. There's $1.2m/yr they've just started generating.

 

Someone wants their targets bonus!

 

The excuse given that "other providers dont do this" is utterly pathetic. Its lazy product development. Its unimaginative. If all the providers offer the same things then price is all you can compete on. I wish the NZ telco industry (and other NZ industries) would do better here.


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  #3114145 10-Aug-2023 14:51
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nzkc:

 

This is nothing more than a cash grab by 2degrees to push people to use recurring prepay plans. Imagine if they have 10,000 moving to a $10mth pre pay plan because of this. There's $1.2m/yr they've just started generating.

 

Someone wants their targets bonus!

 

The excuse given that "other providers dont do this" is utterly pathetic. Its lazy product development. Its unimaginative. If all the providers offer the same things then price is all you can compete on. I wish the NZ telco industry (and other NZ industries) would do better here.

 

 

I am surprised they haven't changed the prepay to 28 days, so they will get 13 mths of income.

 

Damm - by publishing this idea the marketing guys at 2D might just do that 😂


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  #3114148 10-Aug-2023 14:52
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antonknee:

 

2degrees really have lost their way and gone sharply downhill, and this has only accelerated in the last 18 months. 

 

 

 

The number of complaints to the Telecommunications Disputes Resolution service seems to back this up.  (A graph from this report is below)

 


cshwone
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  #3114151 10-Aug-2023 15:15
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Interesting and here is the information around mobile - 2 degrees leading the field again

 

 

 

 

 


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