Orcon genius seems a bit thick to me.

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#493303 14-Jul-2011 13:06

Zeon:
wired: Is there anywhere I can plug my burglar alarm into?
If not, then I'm out and will stay with the old stuff.

Yes you will be able to. It's funny that there are still so many alarms that are being installed that aren't IP based.

Either way, with the UFB everyone will be forced to shift to this type of technology.

Wonder if Sky will replace your STB when you go VOIP as VOIP doesn't support existing dialup modems??

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#493392 14-Jul-2011 15:10

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gzt: How does emergency dialing work on this kind of service?

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How DOES emergency dialling work with VOIP? my understanding is that it doesnt? so if everyone goes fibre and VOIP then we have a big problem if for instance the power goes out at night and you then start a fire by tripping over your gas heater and you dont have a mobile phone...

or is there some solution for this?

Emergency calls with VoIP using a "quality" NZ based VoIP operator should be no different to a Telecom PSTN landline. Dial 111 and you're connected to the operator.

In the UFB world all ONT's / RGW's will be installed with a UPS. This is exactly how existing Telecom Wholesale FTTH installations are done and how FTTH installs are done everywhere in the world. Plan for maybe 8 - 12 hours backup before your connection goes down.

Like the PSTN now the weakest link is cordless phone that many people rely on that has no power to operate. It was an issue that many people in Chch discovered after the earthquakes when the PSTN was up and running but because of no power people couldn't make calls.

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#493429 14-Jul-2011 16:37

{Bee, sbiddle} I was taking this thread a bit offtopic with the emergency dialing discussion. Created a new topic to go into that side of things a bit more.

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#493433 14-Jul-2011 17:00

Skype may not have all the carrier grade bells and whistles, but it has WMP* certification.

Emergency calling is taken care of by this discussion:

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=86351

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#493984 16-Jul-2011 13:05

Just to add a bit more to this and drill down past the marketing hype,

"Orcon Genius features a range of innovative functions such as one that sends your voicemail as an audio file to your email address"

This statement really interested me as ourselves and a number of others have been offering this for a long long time, In our case we have had this for 9 years with our solution, I think the answer is here and this is obviously where the marketing spin comes in, I'm guessing because the platform of choice that the service is offered on is actually not capable of supporting the cloud based IN Voice-mail to E Mail services that most of the others offer, Voice to Email is having to be done on the CPE because it is not available in the cloud ?, so the best to market it is to call it innovative.

So for the customer any issue with their connection and they lose Voice-mail on the device and if they want to have Voice-mail to email it is only on the CPE as its not available in the cloud.... hmmm not the best, the advantages of Next Generation services is that it's better to host in the cloud...unless of course you don't have the cloud based service so you market some hype around it.

Naked DSL offerings is fantastic and a large number number of Kiwis are taking advantage of this and has given a choice other than Telecom for fixed line replacement services, but again nothing new here apart from a new router and some marketing press release.

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#493986 16-Jul-2011 13:08

Pretty sure Orcon's core supports it, they are still running the NSN hiQ platform I think

Most problems are the result of previous solutions...

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#493994 16-Jul-2011 13:35

Yes it it's the Siemens product - expensive piece of metal , wouldn't be wanting to ditch that after a couple of years... not a lot of IN features you will probably find including VM to Email, happy to be corrected though.

Siemens have a rep for charging like a wounded bull for support and IN features, we had a brand new Siemens EWSD 10 years ago sitting in our switch room from one of our sister companies in Europe, we where looking at the options way back then around installing and upgrading that to a HiQ when we were deploying our NG network even did the Siemens course in Aus, but the options where limited with the IN compared to another offering and was hugely expensive for the limited features and the support, we actually called a scrap metal company and dumped it, can you believe about 10 Racks of a brand new Multi million dollar switch that never had a call in anger passed through it sent to the scrap dealer, almost makes you cry, I actually think the local Siemens rep did (sorry Phil Josephs) ,
Really really glad we selected the Soft-switch options we did now though.

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#494045 16-Jul-2011 17:38

I was told at one stage that due to licencing costs Orcon were actually using Asterisk as their VM platform. Anybody know is/was still the case?

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#494065 16-Jul-2011 18:08

I don't think so, It might have been an option but the entire Orcon platform is designed for big things.

NSN may be costly but the hiQ platform is a platform that can scale up to more calls than I think WxC,Slingshot,2talk etc currently have.

Soft switches are nice and they help a VOIP provider get off the ground but they do run into scaling issue OR you run into problems with gear coming from 5 different companies as your PSTN/SS7 gear might be different to the transcoding blades since your endpoints at 729 and your PSTN injection is alaw (Over ISDN for example)

Still Orcon's gotta be one of the few companies in NZ that could justify something like the hiQ platform. I believe Telstra also run the hiQ somewhere (maybe their IPCentrex stuff?)

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#494071 16-Jul-2011 18:19

Beccara:

Still Orcon's gotta be one of the few companies in NZ that could justify something like the hiQ platform. I believe Telstra also run the hiQ somewhere (maybe their IPCentrex stuff?)

TelstraClear run Broadsoft, the new Gen-i platform is also Broadsoft.

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#494078 16-Jul-2011 18:33

I'm pretty sure there is a hiQ in there someone as Telstra got a ex NSN engineer on its payroll for its IPC stuff, but this was 3 years ago now so perhaps thats changed

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#494082 16-Jul-2011 18:38

Beccara: I don't think so, It might have been an option but the entire Orcon platform is designed for big things.

NSN may be costly but the hiQ platform is a platform that can scale up to more calls than I think WxC,Slingshot,2talk etc currently have.

Soft switches are nice and they help a VOIP provider get off the ground but they do run into scaling issue OR you run into problems with gear coming from 5 different companies as your PSTN/SS7 gear might be different to the transcoding blades since your endpoints at 729 and your PSTN injection is alaw (Over ISDN for example)

Still Orcon's gotta be one of the few companies in NZ that could justify something like the hiQ platform. I believe Telstra also run the hiQ somewhere (maybe their IPCentrex stuff?)

LOL, your kidding right "Soft switches are nice and they help a VOIP provider get off the ground but they do run into scaling issue" The Soft-switches being run by the likes of Vodafone, TCL, WxC and Callplus are capable of running and are running internationally into the Millions of Subs....probably better to start a new thread on that one , you may want to do a bit of research but thanks for that it was the funniest thing I have heard for a while though,

Also could you explain this a bit more as I fail to see the relevance or what your trying to say here,

"you run into problems with gear coming from 5 different companies as your PSTN/SS7 gear might be different to the transcoding blades since your endpoints at 729 and your PSTN injection is alaw (Over ISDN for example)"

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#494084 16-Jul-2011 18:43

Beccara: I'm pretty sure there is a hiQ in there someone as Telstra got a ex NSN engineer on its payroll for its IPC stuff, but this was 3 years ago now so perhaps thats changed

Beccara sorry I really think your way of base here, TCL have had a Broadsoft solution for almost 9 years they have it Marketed as Next-IP, willing to bet the house on that one ...

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#494088 16-Jul-2011 18:57

Sorry must be a bit of terminology clash here, The HiQ is software and hardware so when you say soft-switch I think the HiQ falls into this category.

That and I've seen the term soft-switch used waaaaay to much to refer to asterisk based platforms for VOIP providers :)

And I said there must be something NSN in Telstra as the reason this guy was hired was he was a NSN VoIP engineer and they needed someone who knew NSN

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#494095 16-Jul-2011 19:27

I can say that we never successfully managed to use a SIP trunk from Orcon's VOIP platform. They basically they gave us an IP for each trunk we had (Auckland and Wellington) that we were meant to connect to from our Trixbox. The authentication was also IP based so we had to multihome the Trixbox. They had no documentation on setting it up (strange considering its Asterisk based....) and we never managed to figure it out.

Anyway we cancalled after about a month trying to get it to work. I'm kind of thankful though - IP based authentication would have been really bad for us as no DR possibilities.

Sticking with WxC. Their billing system might such but the platform is reliable and they actually know enough to support their customer's equipment.

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