Orcon genius seems a bit thick to me.

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#496897 22-Jul-2011 19:17

isphell: So when you say you have had it for years, how many, time goes fast so maybe I am out of date by a couple of years but would be surprised if it was any longer.

Naked services have been available for a few years now. You can have broadband without having to have a Telecom landline.

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#496898 22-Jul-2011 19:18

isphell: So when you say you have had it for years, how many, time goes fast so maybe I am out of date by a couple of years but would be surprised if it was any longer.

Naked ADSL has been available from a number of ISP's since 2007. Slingshot were the first to launch and a lot of others including Xnet followed very quickly.

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#496901 22-Jul-2011 19:23

Never heard much about this until now but as I said I think that's because until now it offered no real price advantage, for the average user at least.

If you look at the time differences between my replies you should understand that I thought of something else to say after I had already replied.

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#496902 22-Jul-2011 19:26

kyhwana2: There's ULL Naked DSL, which is where an ISP has their own gear in the exchange (or cabinet, if they can be bothered) and they don't pay telecom anything. (As far as im aware?)

Close, they still pay to rent the copper in the ground that runs into your house.

On a side note, you can rent copper between 2 premises on the same exchange if you want. CHorus just patch it together, great for point to point vdsl.

Edit: Spelling mistake

Hmmmm

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#496903 22-Jul-2011 19:29

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Beccara: I'm pretty sure there is a hiQ in there someone as Telstra got a ex NSN engineer on its payroll for its IPC stuff, but this was 3 years ago now so perhaps thats changed

Beccara sorry I really think your way of base here, TCL have had a Broadsoft solution for almost 9 years they have it Marketed as Next-IP, willing to bet the house on that one ... ,

Any idea what they have been doing with it for the last 9 years? :)

Selling it to business customers.

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#496904 22-Jul-2011 19:33

old3eyes:

What's so wrong with the "Obsolete analog fone service"?? It was the only thing that seemed to work in Christchurch after the Feb earthquake.

You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about Telecom NZ..

Its really expensive, $45 a month vs $20 a year to keep a mobile alive.

It doesnt have any included mins with it, whereas any mobile plan that costs less has usually more mins than the monthly cost would cover.

It has some of the worst rates for calling, hell some of the prepay plans have better rates!

It doesn't come with any services, they cost extra, a lot extra. $10 just to get a damn answering service? Screw that.

Now, I realize I can use it to call other phones that cant leave peoples houses in a small geographic area for a flat rate, but basically the internet has eliminated my need to chitchat with people about crap like mum does all the time.

If the landline was more like a prepay phone where I only had to pay once a year to keep it live and paid for each call then it would be more use, but paying a large amount each month just to keep it live for incoming calls and the odd outgoing call I may want to make? No thanks.

As for the earthquake, well I dont see much need for communication other than a "im fine" after that sort of thing, that takes one SMS, or one facebook/tweet and then everyone that follows me knows. I could always borrow someones working landline to call a friend to put it on my wall that I was not dead etc. Didnt take long for the mobile network to get working again. And who says I am home when the $#17 hits the fan?

More likly I am not home when it does, the seldomness that I am home and wanting to communicate with people is one of the main reasons I fail to see the value in a landline. People I am calling are typically mobile only or mobile and shared flat phone, so I call the mobile out of preference, then the better rates on a mobile kick in and having a landline is again pointless.

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#496905 22-Jul-2011 19:40

cisconz:
kyhwana2: There's ULL Naked DSL, which is where an ISP has their own gear in the exchange (or cabinet, if they can be bothered) and they don't pay telecom anything. (As far as im aware?)

Close, they still pay to rent the copper in the ground that runs into your house.

On a side note, you can rent copper between 2 premises on the same exchange if you want. CHorus just patch it together, great for point to point vdsl.

Edit: Spelling mistake

Yes.. (in the past, maybe the same) called an A1 Leased Analog line..

An ISP quite a number of years used to do it to run ADSL over them and I heard Telecom started putting "voice" filters on them to stop them doing it but some other ISP did the same and ran ADSL over them with no problems. (This was before jetstream was available via Telecom)

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#496907 22-Jul-2011 19:43

Vodafone - $55 45GB Naked DSL + $17.30 Easy 20 Mobile

Then if you want get a VOIP line i.e.

2talk - $11.50 - 2000 local minutes - 250 national/country minutes - 30 smart phone features

2talk - $23.00 - 4000 local minutes - 1000 national/country minutes - 30 smart phone features - 2 lines

italk - $11.00 - 500 minutes local/national - 20 smart phone features

italk - $21.00 - 1500 minutes local/national - 20 smart phone features

Plus 12 month contract gets you the wireless n router, awesome thing (once I switched it to channel 9 on the wireless). can plug a printer/hdd into it and theres a nice thread in the vodafone forum to setup the sip for VOIP. Which works great :-)

At the moment I have a work phone so just paying the $55 and $21 with italk, so $76 all up :-)

Would love Vodafone to have their own VOIP line, one bill would be great :-)

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#496909 22-Jul-2011 19:53

Thanx for your reply Rich.

Just as a matter of interest what does your naked DSL cost per month these days.. ??

Regards,

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#496914 22-Jul-2011 20:07

old3eyes: Thanx for your reply Rich.

Just as a matter of interest what does your naked DSL cost per month these days.. ??

$81 with 25 gigs on slingshot, and then I spend about $150 or so on extra data most months. I get free iTalk with it, but to be honest I cant be stuffed configuring an ATA just to get calls on. The snap connection thats coming tomorrow is $55 for 5 gigs and then I am adding $70 for another 100 gigs each month.

The free offpeak on snap is paid for on demand, so $5 gets me 1am to 7am on 3 concecutive nights, slingshot has 2am to 8am free, but its so slow that I cant get much down during it.

I am hoping that I can get away with a single $5 offpeak purchase each week to clear out the seedbox, but we shall see how it goes. Not too sure on what speeds I will see but they cant be as bad as the 30kB/s I get on rsync thru slingshot for most of the evening etc.

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#497147 23-Jul-2011 17:24

I work for Orcon, but am in a department that really has nothing to do with the Genius product. As such, I only learned about Genius a day before it went public in the press (as opposed to the helpdesk who've been gradually learning about the service for weeks - months in some cases).

The price difference was a huge appeal to me. So I signed up for the 30Gb Genius home plan, and added unlimited national calling. Price is $85, which is $15 cheaper than the previous fixed line plan I was on which only gave me 20Gb of data.

I'm now connected, and a word of warning ... don't connect the Genius Router or Genius Lite Router before you've received your "completion" notice via txt. It causes problems. Really, the Genius-Lite router should auto-sync with one of the Orcon servers, pull your username and password down to the router, and set up your VOIP (it's actually SIP, not VOIP) automatically within 5 minutes of connecting the router.

But the biggest thing I've noticed since connecting to Genius is the international throughput. Genius goes through different bandwidth providers to the other Orcon plans, and it performs phenomenally. I'm syncing around 14Mb, and I did a speed test to NYC that reached 13Mb. Under all the previous Orcon plans that I was on, I could only ever reach around 4-5Mb internationally (and that was both through the Orcon LLU ISAM and, since about three weeks ago, the Telecom Roadside Cabinet).

Yes, you could call me biased as I work for Orcon, but I am well pleased with the Genius service so far.

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#497149 23-Jul-2011 17:31

How many are provisioned thru this alternate international so far? I expect you have it pretty much to yourself at the moment and would be surprised if the massive performance gain is permanent.

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#497152 23-Jul-2011 17:38

Not sure. Sounddude might be better positioned to answer that one

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#497171 23-Jul-2011 18:33

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But the biggest thing I've noticed since connecting to Genius is the international throughput. Genius goes through different bandwidth providers to the other Orcon plans, and it performs phenomenally. I'm syncing around 14Mb, and I did a speed test to NYC that reached 13Mb. Under all the previous Orcon plans that I was on, I could only ever reach around 4-5Mb internationally (and that was both through the Orcon LLU ISAM and, since about three weeks ago, the Telecom Roadside Cabinet).

Coincidence I am afraid. We provision all residential services exactly the same. There is no sekret genius international network :)

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#497178 23-Jul-2011 18:56

gingerman93: I work for Orcon, but am in a department that really has nothing to do with the Genius product. As such, I only learned about Genius a day before it went public in the press (as opposed to the helpdesk who've been gradually learning about the service for weeks - months in some cases).

The price difference was a huge appeal to me. So I signed up for the 30Gb Genius home plan, and added unlimited national calling. Price is $85, which is $15 cheaper than the previous fixed line plan I was on which only gave me 20Gb of data.

I'm now connected, and a word of warning ... don't connect the Genius Router or Genius Lite Router before you've received your "completion" notice via txt. It causes problems. Really, the Genius-Lite router should auto-sync with one of the Orcon servers, pull your username and password down to the router, and set up your VOIP (it's actually SIP, not VOIP) automatically within 5 minutes of connecting the router.

SIP is a flavor of VOIP..

Regards,

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