Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




431 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 44


# 105218 29-Jun-2012 13:47
Send private message

Hi Guys,

After reading up on how you can add a master splitter and use your home phones in the same way as the old POTS Analogue setup.  

I’m keen to find out the best way to rewire the home phone, I have read from overseas sites that the recommended home wiring is now Cat 5 or 6 Ethernet cable.

I have a 1940’s house with a bell ringer on the wall off a relay I would guess.

If I add a master splitter where the phone comes into the house and run Cat 6 to the phone jack will that improve my connection speed. 

Any and all suggestions appreciated.

Create new topic
6761 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 630

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 648206 29-Jun-2012 13:59
Send private message

Hi, cat5e is fine, cat6 is also fine but will offer no advantage for your DSL connection. If you are using the Genius and going Naked then you dont need a master filter although to include one will have no detrimental effect of consequence.

So if you are going naked then run a new cat5e or 6 cable with not taps to any other outlet directly to an outlet that only the modem connects to. If you are not going naked (ie will continue to take pots from Telecom) then you will need a master filter ideally at the demarc, although if its older wiring there will be no demarc so install it in the ceiling space or under the house whereever is convenient but you must ensure that the filter is the only and first thing to connect to the line from the street. From the filter run a new cat5e/6 cable to your modem from the modem port of the filter and wire the voice port to the remaining house sockets as suits.

PS and drop the hall ringer please

Cyril



431 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 44


  # 648220 29-Jun-2012 14:34
Send private message

Hi Cyril7

UberGeekNZ Wrote the following in a topic and it looks like great way foward.



Disclosure: I work for Orcon as a Voice Engineer.  I'm certainly not trying to force your opinion either way but I just want to clarify a couple of points :)

Genius (and Genius Lite) allow you to plug or cable in POTS phones, it has an analog port just for this purpose.  

If you have a master filter installed, and have a Phone and a DSL socket next to where your router lives, simply plug DSL jack into the DSL socket, and the Phone jack to the phone socket.  

Then clip the wires on the phone side of the master filter (leave enough tail to reconnect them later if you want to).

Now all your phones will work as before, but using the Genius for connectivity.

As for voice quality, I have Genius at home and it's been crystal clear for me, as a long time phone tech I'm quite picky about these things, too.  I have heard about problems some time ago but to my knowledge they are long since resolved.

 
 
 
 


6761 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 630

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 648224 29-Jun-2012 14:40
Send private message

I dont think he has said anything different to what I said, but hey only being playing with this stuff for 30odd years getting a bit rusty on it.

Cyril



431 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 44


  # 648232 29-Jun-2012 14:45
Send private message

And Cyril7, I'll replace the bell Ringer :).

Proposed Plan
1. Find out where the external phone cable comes into the house
2. Rewire this with CAT cable run this through to the jack point (is there a need for a master jack these days ?)
3. Install a two connector jack RJ11's
4. Connect Genius DSL to the rewired CAT jack point
5. Connect the other run to the existing wiring (making sure the bell ringer is out of the loop.)


Would this work what are your thoughts.




431 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 44


  # 648234 29-Jun-2012 14:46
Send private message

I should add thanks for your help Cyril7 its appreciated :)

6761 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 630

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 648249 29-Jun-2012 14:52
Send private message

Hi, no worries, its not clear from you comments if you are going to use a master filter and if its a naked connection or not. As for RJ11 sockets what were you planning to use (ie from where), I personally would recommend that you go with a pair of RJ45s as RJ11 phone sockets are not really recognised in NZ as a standard, they are in Oz, US and many other countries.

From what you describe you infact are going naked and intend to wire the ATA output to the remaining house wiring, which is correct.

Master jack is not needed if you wire as you plan.

Cyril

8033 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 390

Trusted

  # 648252 29-Jun-2012 14:53
Send private message

Re-wiring the house with cat5e or cat6 in a proper star wiring config is the best way to go, then you can patch any port to be voice or network at your central point/cabinet

TCF guidelines for premises wiring
http://www.tcf.org.nz/content/02b3940f-1b3b-4cc8-bfc6-28173756da29.html 

See here for a practical example
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/hazza87/7956
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/hazza87/7970

 
 
 
 




431 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 44


  # 648260 29-Jun-2012 14:57
Send private message

Cheers Guys, this is a really interesting Topic for me.

Yes I will be using a Naked setup with the phone connected downstream from the Orcon Genius router.

1908 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 460

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 648280 29-Jun-2012 15:30
Send private message

DeepBlueSky: Hi Cyril7

UberGeekNZ Wrote the following in a topic and it looks like great way foward.



Disclosure: I work for Orcon as a Voice Engineer.  I'm certainly not trying to force your opinion either way but I just want to clarify a couple of points :)

Genius (and Genius Lite) allow you to plug or cable in POTS phones, it has an analog port just for this purpose.  

If you have a master filter installed, and have a Phone and a DSL socket next to where your router lives, simply plug DSL jack into the DSL socket, and the Phone jack to the phone socket.  

Then clip the wires on the phone side of the master filter (leave enough tail to reconnect them later if you want to).

Now all your phones will work as before, but using the Genius for connectivity.

As for voice quality, I have Genius at home and it's been crystal clear for me, as a long time phone tech I'm quite picky about these things, too.  I have heard about problems some time ago but to my knowledge they are long since resolved.


What about if you just have a classic NZ Master socket ?




________

 

Antonios K

 

Click to see full size


Create new topic



Twitter and LinkedIn »



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Dunedin selects Telensa to deliver smart street lighting for 15,000 LEDs
Posted 18-Jul-2019 10:21


Sprint announces a connected wallet card with built-in IoT support
Posted 18-Jul-2019 08:36


Educational tool developed at Otago makes international launch
Posted 17-Jul-2019 21:57


Symantec introduces cloud access security solution
Posted 17-Jul-2019 21:48


New Zealand government unveils new digital service to make business easier
Posted 16-Jul-2019 17:35


Scientists unveil image of quantum entanglement
Posted 13-Jul-2019 06:00


Hackers to be challenged at University of Waikato
Posted 12-Jul-2019 21:34


OPPO Reno Z now available in New Zealand
Posted 12-Jul-2019 21:28


Sony introduces WF-1000XM3 wireless headphones with noise cancellation
Posted 8-Jul-2019 16:56


Xero announces new smarter tools, push into the North American market
Posted 19-Jun-2019 17:20


New report by Unisys shows New Zealanders want action by social platform companies and police to monitor social media sites
Posted 19-Jun-2019 17:09


ASB adds Google Pay option to contactless payments
Posted 19-Jun-2019 17:05


New Zealand PC Market declines on the back of high channel inventory, IDC reports
Posted 18-Jun-2019 17:35


Air New Zealand uses drones to inspect aircraft
Posted 17-Jun-2019 15:39


TCL Electronics launches its first-ever 8K TV
Posted 17-Jun-2019 15:18



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.