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  # 658254 19-Jul-2012 10:43
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networkn: dave: They are talking about uptake in areas where it's already available.


Sooo... hardly anyone has taken up a service that is hardly available.

"Let's send out a press release with a fairly useless offer"

I've just tried 10 random addresses within 3km (ish) of the AKL CBD, guess what, not available at any of them.

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  # 658349 19-Jul-2012 12:11
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davemac00:
networkn: dave: They are talking about uptake in areas where it's already available.


Sooo... hardly anyone has taken up a service that is hardly available.

"Let's send out a press release with a fairly useless offer"

I've just tried 10 random addresses within 3km (ish) of the AKL CBD, guess what, not available at any of them.


Rather than just trying random addresses why not look at UFB coverage maps to actually see when UFB will be available? 

Remember the focus in the first 5 years of the rollout is not residential. The vast majority of residential premises in NZ won't get UFB until years 6-10.


 
 
 
 


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  # 658501 19-Jul-2012 15:10
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Remember the focus in the first 5 years of the rollout is not residential. The vast majority of residential premises in NZ won't get UFB until years 6-10.

Which still begs the question why did orcon make such a half arsed offer in the first place knowing full well that nearly nobody can take them up on it

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  # 658534 19-Jul-2012 15:42
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If I needed a phone line I'd SERIOUSLY consider this even the lower speed offer and 60GB would do my parents place when I'm back down. Now If only there was any residential cables in their area........

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  # 658623 19-Jul-2012 18:02
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I'm lucky enough to live in an area where fibre has been laid and am thinking about signing up. My current provider is Teleom who I am actually pretty happy with. How does Orcon compare speed wise (obviously fibre will theoretically be faster, but I mean in the real world)? Does anyone have any direct experience with the two?

Also, I presume it will be simple enough to continue to use my current router (an Airport Extreme which I use for backup as well) and just connect it by cable to the Genius modem, instead of the current Telecom one?


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  # 658635 19-Jul-2012 18:26
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Athlonite:  

Which still begs the question why did orcon make such a half arsed offer in the first place knowing full well that nearly nobody can take them up on it


There are close to 50000 premises that have fibre running past them right now. Not are all provisionable at present but will be very soon, and this figure will pass 100000 premises within the next couple of months.

The move seems an exceptionally smart one to me, particularly with such a small number of RSP's offering retail UFB services at present,


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  # 658696 19-Jul-2012 21:10
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Behodar:
sbiddle: Even so it would probably only be existing P2P infrastrcture, not GPON so you wouldn't get access to UFB GPON pricing.

You could be right; I've dug up my conversation with Chorus and it only mentions "fibre" and "UFB", not GPON specifically (I see from Crown Fibre docs that P2P can be referred to as UFB).

Just to clarify my grizzle: I'm not complaining about pricing. If I can't afford fibre at this stage then that's not Orcon's fault. The only thing I'm complaining about is how difficult it is to get information.


I have fibre one house away. To underground the fibre across one section frontage and 5 metres from the road to our garage was going to be $2600.




My views (except when I am looking out their windows) are not those of my employer.

 
 
 
 


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  # 658699 19-Jul-2012 21:12
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hairy1:
Behodar:
sbiddle: Even so it would probably only be existing P2P infrastrcture, not GPON so you wouldn't get access to UFB GPON pricing.

You could be right; I've dug up my conversation with Chorus and it only mentions "fibre" and "UFB", not GPON specifically (I see from Crown Fibre docs that P2P can be referred to as UFB).

Just to clarify my grizzle: I'm not complaining about pricing. If I can't afford fibre at this stage then that's not Orcon's fault. The only thing I'm complaining about is how difficult it is to get information.


I have fibre one house away. To underground the fibre across one section frontage and 5 metres from the road to our garage was going to be $2600.


Can I recommend directional antennas which would cover that distance easily. Much Much cheaper!


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  # 658700 19-Jul-2012 21:12
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hairy1:
Behodar:
sbiddle: Even so it would probably only be existing P2P infrastrcture, not GPON so you wouldn't get access to UFB GPON pricing.

You could be right; I've dug up my conversation with Chorus and it only mentions "fibre" and "UFB", not GPON specifically (I see from Crown Fibre docs that P2P can be referred to as UFB).

Just to clarify my grizzle: I'm not complaining about pricing. If I can't afford fibre at this stage then that's not Orcon's fault. The only thing I'm complaining about is how difficult it is to get information.


I have fibre one house away. To underground the fibre across one section frontage and 5 metres from the road to our garage was going to be $2600.


It makes you realise how common $3000 - $5000 installs for gas are!


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  # 658800 20-Jul-2012 00:17
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Athlonite:
Remember the focus in the first 5 years of the rollout is not residential. The vast majority of residential premises in NZ won't get UFB until years 6-10.

Which still begs the question why did orcon make such a half arsed offer in the first place knowing full well that nearly nobody can take them up on it


Cheap & easy publicity knowing full well that hardly anyone can take them up on the offer while looking very generous which was the point I was trying to make.


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  # 658810 20-Jul-2012 01:40
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sbiddle:
hairy1:
Behodar:
sbiddle: Even so it would probably only be existing P2P infrastrcture, not GPON so you wouldn't get access to UFB GPON pricing.

You could be right; I've dug up my conversation with Chorus and it only mentions "fibre" and "UFB", not GPON specifically (I see from Crown Fibre docs that P2P can be referred to as UFB).

Just to clarify my grizzle: I'm not complaining about pricing. If I can't afford fibre at this stage then that's not Orcon's fault. The only thing I'm complaining about is how difficult it is to get information.


I have fibre one house away. To underground the fibre across one section frontage and 5 metres from the road to our garage was going to be $2600.


It makes you realise how common $3000 - $5000 installs for gas are!



True however Gas is intended to be an Auxiliary supply for certain houses on request vs UFB being the replacement of copper intended to be delivered to all properties within intended regions.

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  # 658823 20-Jul-2012 06:40
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I have been on Orcon UFB Fibre since 02 July.

Install took a complete day, with 4 Chorus Vans and 8 techs.  Install was done failry well, however had an issue with the conenection on the outside box.  This took 4 days to fix.

Inside chorus installed a cat5 jack point in my study, and I have this connected directly to the Orcon Genuis unit.   I also have connected 4 wireless phones.

Speeds are excellent.  My plan is 30down 10 up.  Most the time I am getting 34-35 down and 10 up consitently.   I have had a couple of periods (rare) that the speed has dropped to about 15-16 which is still not bad.

I guess you could plug any unit you want into the network port of the orcon unit.   The orcon unit also has a usb port, which you can plug an external hard drive into.  I cant seem to get it to accept a usb printer though.

Overall, I am happy.

Cheers...

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  # 658828 20-Jul-2012 07:12
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lucky015:
sbiddle:
hairy1:
Behodar:
sbiddle: Even so it would probably only be existing P2P infrastrcture, not GPON so you wouldn't get access to UFB GPON pricing.

You could be right; I've dug up my conversation with Chorus and it only mentions "fibre" and "UFB", not GPON specifically (I see from Crown Fibre docs that P2P can be referred to as UFB).

Just to clarify my grizzle: I'm not complaining about pricing. If I can't afford fibre at this stage then that's not Orcon's fault. The only thing I'm complaining about is how difficult it is to get information.


I have fibre one house away. To underground the fibre across one section frontage and 5 metres from the road to our garage was going to be $2600.


It makes you realise how common $3000 - $5000 installs for gas are!



True however Gas is intended to be an Auxiliary supply for certain houses on request vs UFB being the replacement of copper intended to be delivered to all properties within intended regions.


Fibre may well ultimately end up as a replacement for copper for many people but right now it's merely a complimentary product.

Except in a small percentage or circumstances your copper won't be removed, and unlike Australia the copper network isn't being decommissioned. I've heard some brief discussions about copper being culled by 2030, but that's merely pub talk. It wouldn't surprise me in any way is we see Telecom keeping their NEAX's until ~2025. With their VoIP linecards there is still plenty of life left in them, despite some of the limitations.





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  # 658869 20-Jul-2012 08:39
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sbiddle:
lucky015:
sbiddle:
hairy1:
Behodar:
sbiddle: Even so it would probably only be existing P2P infrastrcture, not GPON so you wouldn't get access to UFB GPON pricing.

You could be right; I've dug up my conversation with Chorus and it only mentions "fibre" and "UFB", not GPON specifically (I see from Crown Fibre docs that P2P can be referred to as UFB).

Just to clarify my grizzle: I'm not complaining about pricing. If I can't afford fibre at this stage then that's not Orcon's fault. The only thing I'm complaining about is how difficult it is to get information.


I have fibre one house away. To underground the fibre across one section frontage and 5 metres from the road to our garage was going to be $2600.


It makes you realise how common $3000 - $5000 installs for gas are!



True however Gas is intended to be an Auxiliary supply for certain houses on request vs UFB being the replacement of copper intended to be delivered to all properties within intended regions.


Fibre may well ultimately end up as a replacement for copper for many people but right now it's merely a complimentary product.

Except in a small percentage or circumstances your copper won't be removed, and unlike Australia the copper network isn't being decommissioned. I've heard some brief discussions about copper being culled by 2030, but that's merely pub talk. It wouldn't surprise me in any way is we see Telecom keeping their NEAX's until ~2025. With their VoIP linecards there is still plenty of life left in them, despite some of the limitations. 

Didn't know that they had any VOIP line cards in them.  Telecom is currently sourcing spares from Malaysia from what I hear so that they can close down the old  Ericsson basic rate (Amps cell switches) which are now a maintenance liability . 




Regards,

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  # 658880 20-Jul-2012 08:55
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old3eyes:
sbiddle:
lucky015:
sbiddle:
hairy1:
Behodar:
sbiddle: Even so it would probably only be existing P2P infrastrcture, not GPON so you wouldn't get access to UFB GPON pricing.

You could be right; I've dug up my conversation with Chorus and it only mentions "fibre" and "UFB", not GPON specifically (I see from Crown Fibre docs that P2P can be referred to as UFB).

Just to clarify my grizzle: I'm not complaining about pricing. If I can't afford fibre at this stage then that's not Orcon's fault. The only thing I'm complaining about is how difficult it is to get information.


I have fibre one house away. To underground the fibre across one section frontage and 5 metres from the road to our garage was going to be $2600.


It makes you realise how common $3000 - $5000 installs for gas are!



True however Gas is intended to be an Auxiliary supply for certain houses on request vs UFB being the replacement of copper intended to be delivered to all properties within intended regions.


Fibre may well ultimately end up as a replacement for copper for many people but right now it's merely a complimentary product.

Except in a small percentage or circumstances your copper won't be removed, and unlike Australia the copper network isn't being decommissioned. I've heard some brief discussions about copper being culled by 2030, but that's merely pub talk. It wouldn't surprise me in any way is we see Telecom keeping their NEAX's until ~2025. With their VoIP linecards there is still plenty of life left in them, despite some of the limitations. 

Didn't know that they had any VOIP line cards in them.  Telecom is currently sourcing spares from Malaysia from what I hear so that they can close down the old  Ericsson basic rate (Amps cell switches) which are now a maintenance liability . 



Telecom built VoIP line cards for the NEAX's a few years ago. There are already a lot of customers on this platform, primararily all the FTTN cabinets where the voice cards were deployed when the copper backhaul was deemed U/S. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot more of their residential voice moves across to this in the next few years.

ISDN is pretty much on it's last legs. Give it 3 years or so and it'll be history, everybody will be migrated across to SIP.





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