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  # 659036 20-Jul-2012 13:02
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sbiddle:
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sbiddle: Even so it would probably only be existing P2P infrastrcture, not GPON so you wouldn't get access to UFB GPON pricing.

You could be right; I've dug up my conversation with Chorus and it only mentions "fibre" and "UFB", not GPON specifically (I see from Crown Fibre docs that P2P can be referred to as UFB).

Just to clarify my grizzle: I'm not complaining about pricing. If I can't afford fibre at this stage then that's not Orcon's fault. The only thing I'm complaining about is how difficult it is to get information.


I have fibre one house away. To underground the fibre across one section frontage and 5 metres from the road to our garage was going to be $2600.


It makes you realise how common $3000 - $5000 installs for gas are!



True however Gas is intended to be an Auxiliary supply for certain houses on request vs UFB being the replacement of copper intended to be delivered to all properties within intended regions.


Fibre may well ultimately end up as a replacement for copper for many people but right now it's merely a complimentary product.

Except in a small percentage or circumstances your copper won't be removed, and unlike Australia the copper network isn't being decommissioned. I've heard some brief discussions about copper being culled by 2030, but that's merely pub talk. It wouldn't surprise me in any way is we see Telecom keeping their NEAX's until ~2025. With their VoIP linecards there is still plenty of life left in them, despite some of the limitations. 

Didn't know that they had any VOIP line cards in them.  Telecom is currently sourcing spares from Malaysia from what I hear so that they can close down the old  Ericsson basic rate (Amps cell switches) which are now a maintenance liability . 



Telecom built VoIP line cards for the NEAX's a few years ago. There are already a lot of customers on this platform, primararily all the FTTN cabinets where the voice cards were deployed when the copper backhaul was deemed U/S. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot more of their residential voice moves across to this in the next few years.

ISDN is pretty much on it's last legs. Give it 3 years or so and it'll be history, everybody will be migrated across to SIP. 



Wouldn't guarantee that. From where I sit SIP trunking is about where ISDN was in the late 1980s..  The problem with SIP trunking in NZ is that every man and his  dog with an Astrix box and an interconnect  agreement  is trying to sell it as a cheap calling solution.  It is when it works it works well but when it doesn't they duck for cover real fast..




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  # 659056 20-Jul-2012 13:26
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old3eyes:
sbiddle:
old3eyes:
sbiddle:
lucky015:
sbiddle:
hairy1:
Behodar:
sbiddle: Even so it would probably only be existing P2P infrastrcture, not GPON so you wouldn't get access to UFB GPON pricing.

You could be right; I've dug up my conversation with Chorus and it only mentions "fibre" and "UFB", not GPON specifically (I see from Crown Fibre docs that P2P can be referred to as UFB).

Just to clarify my grizzle: I'm not complaining about pricing. If I can't afford fibre at this stage then that's not Orcon's fault. The only thing I'm complaining about is how difficult it is to get information.


I have fibre one house away. To underground the fibre across one section frontage and 5 metres from the road to our garage was going to be $2600.


It makes you realise how common $3000 - $5000 installs for gas are!



True however Gas is intended to be an Auxiliary supply for certain houses on request vs UFB being the replacement of copper intended to be delivered to all properties within intended regions.


Fibre may well ultimately end up as a replacement for copper for many people but right now it's merely a complimentary product.

Except in a small percentage or circumstances your copper won't be removed, and unlike Australia the copper network isn't being decommissioned. I've heard some brief discussions about copper being culled by 2030, but that's merely pub talk. It wouldn't surprise me in any way is we see Telecom keeping their NEAX's until ~2025. With their VoIP linecards there is still plenty of life left in them, despite some of the limitations. 

Didn't know that they had any VOIP line cards in them.  Telecom is currently sourcing spares from Malaysia from what I hear so that they can close down the old  Ericsson basic rate (Amps cell switches) which are now a maintenance liability . 



Telecom built VoIP line cards for the NEAX's a few years ago. There are already a lot of customers on this platform, primararily all the FTTN cabinets where the voice cards were deployed when the copper backhaul was deemed U/S. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot more of their residential voice moves across to this in the next few years.

ISDN is pretty much on it's last legs. Give it 3 years or so and it'll be history, everybody will be migrated across to SIP. 



Wouldn't guarantee that. From where I sit SIP trunking is about where ISDN was in the late 1980s..  The problem with SIP trunking in NZ is that every man and his  dog with an Astrix box and an interconnect  agreement  is trying to sell it as a cheap calling solution.  It is when it works it works well but when it doesn't they duck for cover real fast..


And that's why the cowboys won't last long.

I can assure you Telecom's solution doesn't involve Asterisk. They can also very easily deploy SIP using the identical model TCL do now - managed hardware and service over dedicated managed connections. 
 

 
 
 
 


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  # 659232 20-Jul-2012 16:55
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And that's why the cowboys won't last long.

I can assure you Telecom's solution doesn't involve Asterisk. They can also very easily deploy SIP using the identical model TCL do now - managed hardware and service over dedicated managed connections. 
 


Are my days with 2talk numbered? Does Asterisk = Cowboys?




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  # 659266 20-Jul-2012 18:02
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With a little segue pulling it back to the original topic; will my 2talk configured ATA work with Orcon's UFB? being that they are pairing it with their own VOIP service.

Edited for punctuation

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  # 659437 21-Jul-2012 09:29
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So are those of us who are still paying ridiculous amounts for Orcon broadband (non Genius)  subsidising this endeavour I wonder??  

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  # 659527 21-Jul-2012 13:31
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So ask for a better deal from Orcon or leave, vote with your feet, the banks are having to do that to retain customers so why not them. Don't be apathetic about it stick it to them. That is why I left Telstra because they wern't offering me the same deal and right out refused to as well, and good ridance to them, if they won't look after their existing customers.

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  # 659661 21-Jul-2012 19:18
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I don't want to leave. I have been with Orcon of over a year, My Speeds are fine, I don't get any drop outs, In short I have not had anything to complain about (other than the $$).

I would happily change to Genius but I am scared that it will all go wrong and i will have to deal with customer services. I guess i have been influenced by all the negative comments in these forums (No one ever tells of good experiences)

 
 
 
 


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  # 659689 21-Jul-2012 20:22
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Ramireznz: I don't want to leave. I have been with Orcon of over a year, My Speeds are fine, I don't get any drop outs, In short I have not had anything to complain about (other than the $$).

I would happily change to Genius but I am scared that it will all go wrong and i will have to deal with customer services. I guess i have been influenced by all the negative comments in these forums (No one ever tells of good experiences)


Whilst I think Orcon is the worst ISP for Service in NZ right now, the nature of forums is that you will almost exclusively get issues raised rather than praise. I try my best to give good feedback where I experience it, however it's the nature of things to put more focus on the negative.

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  # 664894 31-Jul-2012 20:08
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Whilst I think Orcon is the worst ISP for Service in NZ right now, the nature of forums is that you will almost exclusively get issues raised rather than praise. I try my best to give good feedback where I experience it, however it's the nature of things to put more focus on the negative.

I agree, and sadly Telstra (nz support only) was great, the one in the philippines were useless, except they pi55ed me off so bye bye Telstra. - I just signed up for some free UFB; can't wait.

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  # 670067 9-Aug-2012 13:52
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Annnnnd it seems I will have to wait. Scheduled for 6 September, and from what I gather from the phone conversation with the sales person I have to allow up to 4 weeks after scheduled date for the install.
Someone here joked when they said the free internet time frame might have run out by the time anyone actually gets connected... Sneaky Orcon...

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  # 670069 9-Aug-2012 14:03
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Nothing to do with Orcon, and as much as I dislike them, they have done nothing wrong, it's Chorus who would be the cause of that delay.

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  # 670076 9-Aug-2012 14:08
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No of course it has nothing to do with Orcon, I agree with that, but it still means that there is a good chance the free part of it will expire by then. I am sure there is something slightly illegal about that, might be a bit of false advertising.

I say to you I will rent you a house rent free untill the end of the year so long as you sign up for two years to lease it off me, but it turns out it won't be built until december 1, then I say it is not my fault it is the fault of the builders...

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  # 671905 13-Aug-2012 18:14
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17th of October 2012. My carrot is disapearing...

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  # 672076 14-Aug-2012 08:39
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I may be in the same boat (applied last week) but haven't heard of the action date yet. I am relying on the free months to pay my Telecom early termination fee! If the connection date is too far out, I will postpone the connection till after the Telecom contract expires in 24 Nov.

But, regardless of whose fault it really is, I agree that delayed connections make it a big have. The free months should be set at, say, four, and run from the connection date. This to apply to all who sign up by 31 Dec 2012. Sounds more fair to me.

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  # 672082 14-Aug-2012 09:19
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linw: [...] The free months should be set at, say, four, and run from the connection date. This to apply to all who sign up by 31 Dec 2012. Sounds more fair to me.

Agree. Orcon need to step up.

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