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# 109593 23-Sep-2012 13:12
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Just read on the orcon site they dont allow static ip addresses on residential connections?  Ive got a static ip address in the range 60.234 and have had it for years.  I'll be going onto UFB soon when the guys out on the street finish their work, I rang Orcon before I read the info on their site, and they said its not possible for me to keep the same static ip address because UFB is on a different network, fair enough.  I'll be given a dynamic ip when I change, unless I go on a business plan with significantly less data, but i'll get a new static ip.  I remember back in the old days Orcon gave static ip addresses out to their residential customers automatically and free of charge, they've obviously changed this now.  Looks like I may have to go back to using a dynamic dns service.

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  # 690168 23-Sep-2012 15:01
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I don't believe there is any technical reason why they couldn't offer static ip on residential UFB connections, perhaps for a nominal extra fee say $5-10/mo (ip v4 addresses are running out).

They probably just don't want to offer this (which is their right) or may need to do some development work to enable this and don't want to do that.

There are a few other ISP's with good UFB plans, perhaps you want to check them out.

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  # 690183 23-Sep-2012 15:50
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We seem to have a static IP on our Orcon Genius connection - It's never changed?

I wonder why this is changing, dynamic or static, you've still got to give the client an IP so I don't think IPv4 running out is really a reason





 
 
 
 


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  # 690202 23-Sep-2012 17:25
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CamH: We seem to have a static IP on our Orcon Genius connection - It's never changed?

I wonder why this is changing, dynamic or static, you've still got to give the client an IP so I don't think IPv4 running out is really a reason


Not true.  Not giving you a static IP means that if Orcon grows enough that they have insufficient IP addresses for the customers, they can start assigning private IP ranges and implement carrier grade NAT in order to extend the lifespan of their IPv4 network.

Ideally, they'd just start implementing IPv6 to the broadband customers instead of just at the core and datacenter, but noone in NZ seems to be interested in doing that.



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  # 690209 23-Sep-2012 17:41
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Kyanar:
CamH: We seem to have a static IP on our Orcon Genius connection - It's never changed?

I wonder why this is changing, dynamic or static, you've still got to give the client an IP so I don't think IPv4 running out is really a reason


Not true.  Not giving you a static IP means that if Orcon grows enough that they have insufficient IP addresses for the customers, they can start assigning private IP ranges and implement carrier grade NAT in order to extend the lifespan of their IPv4 network.

Ideally, they'd just start implementing IPv6 to the broadband customers instead of just at the core and datacenter, but noone in NZ seems to be interested in doing that.


If they starting doing that, they'd lose me as a customer for sure.  If you're behind a carrier grade NAT, there goes the idea of running any gaming servers etc... I'd rather stay on the old copper network, than move to UFB and be forced onto a carrier grade NAT.

I think ive also noticed vodafone assigning ip's in the 192.168 range to my phone occasionally?

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  # 690223 23-Sep-2012 18:08
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CamH: We seem to have a static IP on our Orcon Genius connection - It's never changed?

I wonder why this is changing, dynamic or static, you've still got to give the client an IP so I don't think IPv4 running out is really a reason


The main reason is giving out Dynamics means we can changes IP pools as it suits us, so we can make best use of the IP space we have. If we promise statics for eveyone, it makes it a bit of a headache to do that.

As you know its ipv4 space is a limited resource.




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  # 690224 23-Sep-2012 18:12
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Not true.  Not giving you a static IP means that if Orcon grows enough that they have insufficient IP addresses for the customers, they can start assigning private IP ranges and implement carrier grade NAT in order to extend the lifespan of their IPv4 network.

Ideally, they'd just start implementing IPv6 to the broadband customers instead of just at the core and datacenter, but noone in NZ seems to be interested in doing that.


No plans on giving our RFC1918 space at this stage :)

and yes, we do see ipv6 as an important roadmap. (Along with everyone else). The main issue with ipv6 is the lack of residential CPE support. They are out there but not every modem supports it, or plan to support it.





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  # 690231 23-Sep-2012 18:34
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If RFC1918 is used, then this will in turn cause a lot of other problems aswell.  Firstly it will be very difficult if not impossible? for an ISP to trace copyright infringers, as a large group will appear to be using one public IP.  Fraudsters/spammers also, same problem, the police are not just dealing with a single house hold/connection, but everyone on the isp's NAT because they only have the public ip to go on.  Also theres a lot of websites out there requiring a signup/login, and some use ip addresses to detect people using multiple accounts.  Some websites also ban ip's if someone breaks rules etc... if one person on the NAT breaks the rules of a site then everyone gets banned.

 
 
 
 


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  # 690299 23-Sep-2012 21:26
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gareth41:
I think ive also noticed vodafone assigning ip's in the 192.168 range to my phone occasionally?


Telcos tend to use RFC1918 IPs on their default APN.  It's to prevent you being hit with massive data charges if someone decides to launch a DDoS on your phone.  I'm not sure about 2degrees, Orcon, or Slingshot, but Telecom and Vodafone do also have an APN that gives you a public IP.  Amusingly, sometimes you can't connect because they run out of IPv4 addresses for it.

Sounddude:
and yes, we do see ipv6 as an important roadmap. (Along with everyone else). The main issue with ipv6 is the lack of residential CPE support. They are out there but not every modem supports it, or plan to support it.


I'm using Orcon-provided CPE :p.  I'm sure you can swing it!

gareth41: If RFC1918 is used, then this will in turn cause a lot of other problems aswell.  Firstly it will be very difficult if not impossible? for an ISP to trace copyright infringers, as a large group will appear to be using one public IP.  Fraudsters/spammers also, same problem, the police are not just dealing with a single house hold/connection, but everyone on the isp's NAT because they only have the public ip to go on.  Also theres a lot of websites out there requiring a signup/login, and some use ip addresses to detect people using multiple accounts.  Some websites also ban ip's if someone breaks rules etc... if one person on the NAT breaks the rules of a site then everyone gets banned.


There are lots of ways around this.  Remember that many ISPs already use transparent proxies, and one of the largest ISPs in the world (AOL) has used proxies for many years.  Technology isn't as blunt force as you think.

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  # 700492 13-Oct-2012 06:26
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There are a few other ISP's with good UFB plans, perhaps you want to check them out.


Can you point me to them?  I've looked around, Orcon is the only one I could find with any UFB plan.  I need a static IP for work, and UFB is available at my house, would love to have it.

Thanks :)
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  # 700525 13-Oct-2012 09:30
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kemmason1118: Can you point me to them?? I've looked around, Orcon is the only one I could find with any UFB plan.? I need a static IP for work, and UFB is available at my house, would love to have it.

Thanks :)
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  # 700536 13-Oct-2012 09:54
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Thanks much :)

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