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  Reply # 731837 13-Dec-2012 10:21
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This is good.

Appears that both Snap and Orcon have figured out how to play nicely with Chorus settings.

Telecom will undoubtedly know immediately.

now go forth and multiply your connection speeds!




 


The force is strong with this one!

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  Reply # 731877 13-Dec-2012 10:45
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rossmnz: This is good.

Appears that both Snap and Orcon have figured out how to play nicely with Chorus settings.

Telecom will undoubtedly know immediately.

now go forth and multiply your connection speeds!


I suspect as the day goes on speeds will continue to drop or "shape":



This is still plenty good.  The 24mbit at off peak shows potential of the technology and hopefully NZ can find ways to make such speeds the norm during peak times.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 731885 13-Dec-2012 10:47
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Adappted:
rossmnz: This is good.

Appears that both Snap and Orcon have figured out how to play nicely with Chorus settings.

Telecom will undoubtedly know immediately.

now go forth and multiply your connection speeds!


I suspect as the day goes on speeds will continue to drop or "shape":



This is still plenty good.  The 24mbit at off peak shows potential of the technology and hopefully NZ can find ways to make such speeds the norm during peak times.


Didn't someone say you were on an unlimited plan?  You really can't expect great speeds from unlimited plans in NZ.  You should consider yourself fortunate.

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  Reply # 731901 13-Dec-2012 11:06
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mercutio:
Adappted:
rossmnz: This is good.

Appears that both Snap and Orcon have figured out how to play nicely with Chorus settings.

Telecom will undoubtedly know immediately.

now go forth and multiply your connection speeds!


I suspect as the day goes on speeds will continue to drop or "shape":



This is still plenty good.  The 24mbit at off peak shows potential of the technology and hopefully NZ can find ways to make such speeds the norm during peak times.


Didn't someone say you were on an unlimited plan?  You really can't expect great speeds from unlimited plans in NZ.  You should consider yourself fortunate.


I'm not so sure about that mentality and think it's half the problem with NZ ISPs.  If this truly is the case, then ISPs should be far more forthcoming about it because ultimately it equates to false advertising.  After all what is the point of the ISPs heavily marketing fibre as "The next level experience in Internet" -then saying 30mbit unlimited, then the consensus being "don't expect more than 1mbit since you chose the unlimited plan".  Well, how is 1mbit the next generation internet experience which we have been promised?  I guess all this goes back to the bandwidth argument.  Some think it's actually a chargeable metric, others like me think it's basically electricity and infrastructure.  The ability for telcos to charge for "data" which is just electricity imo is a sham.  Imagine if my home Kwh usage was charged at the same rate as data.  I understand the cost of infrastructure, staffing, maintenance etc but in the end it doesn't cost to send data, it costs to power the routers and optics.  Anyway, this charging for data will eventually come to an end, maybe when google blankets the planet with free wifi.

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  Reply # 731905 13-Dec-2012 11:19
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Adappted:
I'm not so sure about that mentality and think it's half the problem with NZ ISPs.  If this truly is the case, then ISPs should be far more forthcoming about it because ultimately it equates to false advertising.  After all what is the point of the ISPs heavily marketing fibre as "The next level experience in Internet" -then saying 30mbit unlimited, then the consensus being "don't expect more than 1mbit since you chose the unlimited plan".  Well, how is 1mbit the next generation internet experience which we have been promised?  I guess all this goes back to the bandwidth argument.  Some think it's actually a chargeable metric, others like me think it's basically electricity and infrastructure.  The ability for telcos to charge for "data" which is just electricity imo is a sham.  Imagine if my home Kwh usage was charged at the same rate as data.  I understand the cost of infrastructure, staffing, maintenance etc but in the end it doesn't cost to send data, it costs to power the routers and optics.  Anyway, this charging for data will eventually come to an end, maybe when google blankets the planet with free wifi.


you realise that you per killowatt/hour of electricity usage?  i'd like free power too.  how about free petrol while you're at it.  bandwidth is like electricity really, you need to prepare for the peak utilisation, and if there's too much load you have to have brown outs.  on unlimited you can expect similar behaviour to brown outs... videos pausing .. downloads stuttering etc.  but if you're willing to prepurchase or  pay per gig you can expect a higher level of service.


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  Reply # 731919 13-Dec-2012 11:23
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Adappted:
I'm not so sure about that mentality and think it's half the problem with NZ ISPs.  If this truly is the case, then ISPs should be far more forthcoming about it because ultimately it equates to false advertising.  After all what is the point of the ISPs heavily marketing fibre as "The next level experience in Internet" -then saying 30mbit unlimited, then the consensus being "don't expect more than 1mbit since you chose the unlimited plan".  Well, how is 1mbit the next generation internet experience which we have been promised?  I guess all this goes back to the bandwidth argument.  Some think it's actually a chargeable metric, others like me think it's basically electricity and infrastructure.  The ability for telcos to charge for "data" which is just electricity imo is a sham.  Imagine if my home Kwh usage was charged at the same rate as data.  I understand the cost of infrastructure, staffing, maintenance etc but in the end it doesn't cost to send data, it costs to power the routers and optics.  Anyway, this charging for data will eventually come to an end, maybe when google blankets the planet with free wifi.


Huh? Electricity is billed exactly like the internet. Per kWh pricing for the units of electricity and a charge for the line usage. Some electricity retailers also offer peak and offpeak pricing.

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  Reply # 731948 13-Dec-2012 11:47
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Just another update, same server that was 24mbit at 9:30 am as of 11:45



Doesn't seem to be much capacity for the plan I am on, so I wonder what it will be like when many are on the fibre plans.  I guess I could fall back to a 60gb plan instead of unlimited, but maybe some more issues remain so I'll give it another month or so.  Seems like a pretty drastic drop in speeds.

ok retest at 12:00 so maybe just hit a speedbump earlier, who knows.


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  Reply # 732068 13-Dec-2012 14:47
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I would sincerely like to know what chorus setting exactly would allow for an impact on international speeds whilst seeming not affecting national speeds.

Orcon and SNAP aren't the only ISP's on Chorus UFB and they dont seem to run into this issues which if you believe Orcon are due to Chorus




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  Reply # 732074 13-Dec-2012 15:03
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Beccara: I would sincerely like to know what chorus setting exactly would allow for an impact on international speeds whilst seeming not affecting national speeds.

Orcon and SNAP aren't the only ISP's on Chorus UFB and they dont seem to run into this issues which if you believe Orcon are due to Chorus


They had an impact on national speeds also :-)

The OP was getting 16mbit national before, and after 27mbit.

drop me an email if you want to discuss the Chorus issue. Its a well known issue in the TCF circles.

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  Reply # 732281 13-Dec-2012 21:49
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@Adappted. Now you're sorted, they'll be able to get around to the rest of us!!

But your upload speed to Orcon is lowish. Mine has always been 9Mbps. (30GB, 30/10 plan). Even to Telecom I get 27/9.

I'm generally pretty happy but can't say I really notice any diff from ADSL 2+.

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  Reply # 732588 14-Dec-2012 14:33
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decent speeds all day today:



After a month of 1mbit or so to the US, will be pretty happy if it stays this way.

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  Reply # 735282 20-Dec-2012 09:02
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So does this fix get applied to everyone or is it just per account? because I still only receive roughly 1-2 meg to the us.. however it appears that my local speeds have gone up quite a bit (I see orcon have upgraded the firmware on my router)

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  Reply # 735481 20-Dec-2012 13:27
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dt: So does this fix get applied to everyone or is it just per account? because I still only receive roughly 1-2 meg to the us.. however it appears that my local speeds have gone up quite a bit (I see orcon have upgraded the firmware on my router)


If you PM me your orcon username then i can take a look.

Paul




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  Reply # 735908 21-Dec-2012 10:10
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Wow, my oseas speeds have skyrocketed.

Chicago was around 1.8 dn but it has jumped to 15 dn /4.7 up now.

LA is now 15 dn/4.8 up.

Interesting that the speedtest graph is very saw-toothed, now.

Well done to the teamwork (presumably Chorus/Orcon?) done somewhere.


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  Reply # 735913 21-Dec-2012 10:27
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Working as designed :-)

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