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# 119382 30-May-2013 00:16
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I am currently paying $126 for unlimited + phone line with Slingshot, and am thinking of swapping over to Orcon to take advantage of their $99 unlimited + phone line deal, for the $27/month savings. Before I do swap, I'd like to hear the thoughts of orcon customers who are on the unlimited plan, especially those who have swapped from Slingshots unlimited over to orcon.

Large household, average anywhere between 200-600gb a month, skype and youtube streaming is important, although youtube at 1080p isn't a need, if it wont render in real time. Would expect 720p to load fine though. Not really a gamer, do play Guild wars 2 from time to time though, but doubt that requires a low ping, so online gaming isn't much of a concern. 

Major data usage is FTP, which with slingshot hits 1.2-1.5MB/s down most of the time, upload being maxed regardless of time. P2P isn't used too much anymore so wont miss Slingshots superb torrent caching.

general web browsing is obviously important too, would be good if the majority of sites like facebook would load fine the majority of time, but have been having issues with slingshots DNS and largely cached sites such as facebook, youtube, tumblr etc so if orcon has the same level of performance in that aspect, then I can't complain.

Am currently getting 15-18Mb down and 0.7Mb up. Am very happy with Slingshots services but the possible savings is too much to give up, providing the service isn't absolute crap, a slight speed decrease would be acceptable.

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  # 828074 30-May-2013 00:16
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  # 828081 30-May-2013 00:39
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Do you know if your fibre ready? that'll suite nicely for you, same price aswell
http://www.orcon.net.nz/ufb

I like orcon

If not, there DSL services are just as good Smile

 
 
 
 


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  # 828082 30-May-2013 00:42
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I'm going to tag onto this, because my query is very very similar, so a new thread seemed pointless.

I'm also considering shifting to the Orcon Unlimited plan, but I'm coming from the old Orcon 200Gb Genius plan. So really, I'd just be shifting from one user pool to another, if I understand correctly.

My usage:
The usual array of web-browsing, Youtube, Skype etc.
No gaming to speak of.
Some P2P, but not usually in any haste.

My real concern, and reason for shifting, is that I have recently signed up for Netflix, and so expect I will be doing some significant traffic there. But I'm not sure if Orcon's Unlimited pool is shaped at all, and if it is, whether Netflix (via a proxy) will be slowed by that.

Anyone with any experience able to shed some light?

(No intention to derail the original thread, it just seemed to be a very similar query)



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  # 828083 30-May-2013 00:47
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kamrind: Do you know if your fibre ready? that'll suite nicely for you, same price aswell
http://www.orcon.net.nz/ufb

I like orcon



Sadly, am not fibre ready yet. Am connected to a cabinet with VDSL2 hardware, but haven't been seeing many VDSL supported plans around. VDSL isn't included in orcons ufb rollout by any chance, is it?

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  # 828084 30-May-2013 00:49
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My real concern, and reason for shifting, is that I have recently signed up for Netflix, and so expect I will be doing some significant traffic there. But I'm not sure if Orcon's Unlimited pool is shaped at all, and if it is, whether Netflix (via a proxy) will be slowed by that.

Anyone with any experience able to shed some light?

(No intention to derail the original thread, it just seemed to be a very similar query)


Yes i have found that some traffic is shaped, but it doesn't have any major effects with speed, but during "high traffic periods" 5pm - 10pm  there can be a significant slow down i have noticed with fibre for international traffic. But thats the sacrifice for unlimited internet i suppose....


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  # 828250 30-May-2013 12:46
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Anyone using Orcon Unlimited with Netflix/iSky? Any notable issues?

(ADSL2+, I assume. Not UFB, and not looking like I'm getting it any time soon. Just did a Speedtest, 13.69Mbps down, 0.75Mbps up, while accessing through Remote Desktop, on the Orcon Genius 200GB plan).

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  # 828258 30-May-2013 13:06
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The only traffic shaping that occurs on the Orcon Unlimited Plan is on P2P at peak evening times. All other traffic types have the same priority irrespective of which plan/ip pool the customer is in.




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  # 828393 30-May-2013 16:51
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kamrind: Do you know if your fibre ready? that'll suite nicely for you, same price aswell
http://www.orcon.net.nz/ufb

I like orcon

If not, there DSL services are just as good Smile


FireEngine: The only traffic shaping that occurs on the Orcon Unlimited Plan is on P2P at peak evening times. All other traffic types have the same priority irrespective of which plan/ip pool the customer is in.


Are you both on their unlimited plan? Would you be considered high or low bandwidth users?

Almost definitely going to be moving over, just want to see if there are others with similar bandwidth requirements to mine who are on orcon unlimited who can give me their experiences.

 

Thanks for your replies :)

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  # 828398 30-May-2013 17:08
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Yes im on a UFB 100mbps/50mbps plan, for $134 unlimited. the 50/30mbps plan for $99 is just as good, i need my speeds for the webservers i host

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  # 828408 30-May-2013 17:41
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alexcc:
kamrind: Do you know if your fibre ready? that'll suite nicely for you, same price aswell
http://www.orcon.net.nz/ufb

I like orcon

If not, there DSL services are just as good Smile


FireEngine: The only traffic shaping that occurs on the Orcon Unlimited Plan is on P2P at peak evening times. All other traffic types have the same priority irrespective of which plan/ip pool the customer is in.


Are you both on their unlimited plan? Would you be considered high or low bandwidth users?

Almost definitely going to be moving over, just want to see if there are others with similar bandwidth requirements to mine who are on orcon unlimited who can give me their experiences.

 

Thanks for your replies :)


Personally I am rural but I work for Orcon.




Regards FireEngine


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  # 828425 30-May-2013 18:34
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Have you considered going on to the Slingshot Naked plan?  You get a free VoiP line and 500minutes included.

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  # 828436 30-May-2013 19:06
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I came across from SS unlimited to Orcon unlimited (both on DSL) late last year.

Definitely a downgrade, Slingshot had really upped their game in 2012 and with their extensive caching most things came down at line speed.

Orcon has had major issues all year with international speeds, they seem to have been resolved recently, but they don't have a lot of youtube caching it seems so anything outside of the most mainstream videos tends to crawl, constantly buffering, during peak hours. Wouldn't expect 720p to stream without buffering in peak times, unless its like Gangnam style or something else popular.

I've recently started using netflix through unblock-us, which has been mostly good, but can also be pretty poor in the peak of peak times.

In my mind it is a big downgrade in quality, I guess the question is 'is it worth $27 per a month difference'. I'd be inclined to say yes in my situation, but youtube sounds pretty important to you so I'd be hesitant in recommending it for your sitch

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  # 828440 30-May-2013 19:14
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Definitely could not recommend Orcon Unlimited. We're on it now and can't wait until our contract ends so we can move to somewhere worth using. The genius plan is especially horrible, modem is horrible, we'll soon be on to our 3rd one if this one keeps dropping out and needs replacing. Web browsing speeds during peak hours are terrible and not even worth using - I often switch over to 3G as it's faster.





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  # 828445 30-May-2013 19:34
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Looked at going on the Genius open plan earlier this year. Shocking call centre, couldn't even answer the most basic questions about billing and the products, never returned calls as promised, generally hopeless. Never got so far as getting the service, decided if the sales centre was that bad then there was little hope at getting help if something went wrong, and everywhere I looked there were posts of things going wrong. For the sake of an extra handful of $$$ a month I stayed with our current stable and reliable provider.







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  # 828456 30-May-2013 19:53
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Have a look around, SS & Orcon aren't neccesarily the cheapest now. Telecom offers 500GB + Homeline for $119 for instance

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