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Topic # 121021 21-Jun-2013 10:46
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Hi all,

I know there are a few of you here that use our Usenet server, and I have some bad/sad news for you.

The server is at end of life/ almost dead. We are facing an expensive rebuild, plus engineer resource to do this, plus the usual ongoing subscription costs of several thousand dollars p.a.

At the moment, we only have 2-3 users a day accessing it, so it’s a hard business case to stack up, and we plan to decommission it shortly – i.e. within weeks.

There are some alternatives we know of.

The free ones are: 
http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers/
But most of them are text only.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.




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  Reply # 840886 21-Jun-2013 10:53
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I've found http://www.eternal-september.org/ to be the best of the free providers.

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  Reply # 840902 21-Jun-2013 11:19
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As one of those Usenet users I am naturally sad to see the service discontinued.  I acknowledge though that the numbers simply don't stack up.

I would point out though that when Seeby Woodhouse started Orcon one of the driving forces that differentiated Orcon from the other ISPs is that it provided such a broad spectrum of services that it naturally became the ISP of choice for geeks (as Seeby was himself).  Sadly Orcon has morphed into another Xtra/Telecom/Vodafone - providing only the necessities to the mass-market.  Orcon has been and is innovative - being one of the few ISPs offering UFB and non-business VOIP services but both these innovations need mass-market take-up to be profitable.  The discontinuation of the Usenet server is only possible because there is no competitive pressure to keep it going.  Such is the result of an industry now dominated by corporates rather than entrepreneurial start-ups such as Orcon once was.

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  Reply # 840948 21-Jun-2013 11:41
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One way of seeing it is falling victim of trying to be everything to everyone in the market.

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  Reply # 840955 21-Jun-2013 11:50
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The Minecraft server better not disappear.... Id be gutted if my little house is taken away :-p




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  Reply # 840960 21-Jun-2013 11:59
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xpd: The Minecraft server better not disappear.... Id be gutted if my little house is taken away :-p


Whats that? You want me to turn the mine craft server off? OK.




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  Reply # 840983 21-Jun-2013 12:38
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Ah Usenet, pity its not as popular as it once was. nz.general was an interesting place, among others.  I reckon the internet was more fun back in the days of Usenet, Gopher, and IRC. 

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  Reply # 840988 21-Jun-2013 12:43
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semigeek: Ah Usenet, pity its not as popular as it once was. nz.general was an interesting place, among others.  I reckon the internet was more fun back in the days of Usenet, Gopher, and IRC. 


Our usenet server is not popular, usenet in general is very popular still, although i think its mainly for linux iso's now:)




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  Reply # 840996 21-Jun-2013 12:50
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semigeek: Ah Usenet, pity its not as popular as it once was. nz.general was an interesting place, among others.  I reckon the internet was more fun back in the days of Usenet, Gopher, and IRC. 


It's still popular enough for the MPAA et al to issue increasing  DMCA take down notices the Usenet providers.




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  Reply # 841086 21-Jun-2013 14:48
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old3eyes:
semigeek: Ah Usenet, pity its not as popular as it once was. nz.general was an interesting place, among others.  I reckon the internet was more fun back in the days of Usenet, Gopher, and IRC. 


It's still popular enough for the MPAA et al to issue increasing  DMCA take down notices the Usenet providers.


Like i say, all those linux iso are interesting.




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  Reply # 841201 21-Jun-2013 18:26
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ptinson:
old3eyes:
semigeek: Ah Usenet, pity its not as popular as it once was. nz.general was an interesting place, among others.  I reckon the internet was more fun back in the days of Usenet, Gopher, and IRC. 


It's still popular enough for the MPAA et al to issue increasing  DMCA take down notices the Usenet providers.


Like i say, all those linux iso are interesting.


You bet they are.. Never have enough storage for all my Linux ISOs




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  Reply # 850124 6-Jul-2013 15:10
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quentinreade: Hi all,

I know there are a few of you here that use our Usenet server, and I have some bad/sad news for you.

The server is at end of life/ almost dead. We are facing an expensive rebuild, plus engineer resource to do this, plus the usual ongoing subscription costs of several thousand dollars p.a.

At the moment, we only have 2-3 users a day accessing it, so it’s a hard business case to stack up, and we plan to decommission it shortly – i.e. within weeks.


Any firm plans to turn news.orcon.net.nz off yet (ie a date)?

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  Reply # 850681 8-Jul-2013 10:18
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OldGeek:
quentinreade: Hi all,

I know there are a few of you here that use our Usenet server, and I have some bad/sad news for you.

The server is at end of life/ almost dead. We are facing an expensive rebuild, plus engineer resource to do this, plus the usual ongoing subscription costs of several thousand dollars p.a.

At the moment, we only have 2-3 users a day accessing it, so it’s a hard business case to stack up, and we plan to decommission it shortly – i.e. within weeks.


Any firm plans to turn news.orcon.net.nz off yet (ie a date)?


Yep.
The turn off date is this friday. so that is 12th of July. 

Paul




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  Reply # 850695 8-Jul-2013 10:36
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I can definitely recommend both astraweb (if you can get a referral, I've had deals as cheap as $11/mo US unlimited + ssl + 20 connections pop up) and giganews -- they're an astraweb reseller.

I'm using giganews at the moment, works perfect, 1700+ day retention.

cheers,

aj

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  Reply # 850745 8-Jul-2013 11:33
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I wouldn't recommend Astraweb if your interested in Linux ISOs, their automated DMCA request system is pretty fast.

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  Reply # 850750 8-Jul-2013 11:39
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plas: I wouldn't recommend Astraweb.... their automated DMCA request system is pretty fast.


I used to use Astraweb - Internode provide it for free in Australia, and then as a paid subscription when we moved here. I've since moved to Tweaknews.

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