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Topic # 144206 11-May-2014 12:50
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Hi,

Tomorrow the Chorus guys are coming to install VDSL, so I have been looking on Geekzone for stuff releating to VDSL. I have found that you need a line attenuation ~10.5. So I had a look at my router stats and it says that i have a 22.5dB attenuation. Would it even be worth getting VDSL or would this be my home wiring (looks pretty dodgy imo)? Is there any way to test my attenuation from outside? I guess I will find out tomorrow.

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  Reply # 1041689 11-May-2014 12:56
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Just wait for them to attempt an install, that'll tell you if you can get VDSL or not.




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  Reply # 1041691 11-May-2014 13:24
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The Tech will install a master filter/splitter and isolate the house wiring from the VDSL signal. Once he has done that you will see what the state of the line is...I would think it prequalled at lower than 22.5dB TBH.




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  Reply # 1041747 11-May-2014 15:54
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FireEngine: The Tech will install a master filter/splitter and isolate the house wiring from the VDSL signal. Once he has done that you will see what the state of the line is...I would think it prequalled at lower than 22.5dB TBH.


I already have a VDSL rated master filter installed.




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  Reply # 1041757 11-May-2014 16:16
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If you have a downstream attenuation of 22.5dB with a master filter, the prognosis for VDSL is not good.




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  Reply # 1041758 11-May-2014 16:29
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Sideface: If you have a downstream attenuation of 22.5dB with a master filter, the prognosis for VDSL is not good.

Yeah, I guess I will just wait and see. I still think it is the house wiring though, although I am not sure.




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  Reply # 1041760 11-May-2014 16:35
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Out of curiosity are you in an estimated VDSL coverage area on this map: http://www.chorus.co.nz/network-upgrade-map ?

(To tell if you're in their estimated VDSL coverage area it will display ">20 Mbps" at the bottom after you enter your address)

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  Reply # 1041768 11-May-2014 16:50
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AidanS: Out of curiosity are you in an estimated VDSL coverage area on this map: http://www.chorus.co.nz/network-upgrade-map ?

(To tell if you're in their estimated VDSL coverage area it will display ">20 Mbps" at the bottom after you enter your address)

-A.


Yes, but I am on the very edge of coverage. (Sorry for the second screen)



Also, FYI I sync at 15.2/1





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  Reply # 1041778 11-May-2014 16:59
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dcole13:
FireEngine: The Tech will install a master filter/splitter and isolate the house wiring from the VDSL signal. Once he has done that you will see what the state of the line is...I would think it prequalled at lower than 22.5dB TBH.


I already have a VDSL rated master filter installed.


By who? Whoever did it should the have told you that you may have a fault on the internal wiring....

Anyhow lets see what the tech finds...




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  Reply # 1041780 11-May-2014 17:03
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FireEngine:
dcole13:
FireEngine: The Tech will install a master filter/splitter and isolate the house wiring from the VDSL signal. Once he has done that you will see what the state of the line is...I would think it prequalled at lower than 22.5dB TBH.


I already have a VDSL rated master filter installed.


By who? Whoever did it should the have told you that you may have a fault on the internal wiring....

Anyhow lets see what the tech finds...

I installed myself, and I didn't have a look at the internal wiring, just shoved it in the wall. Worth it though, went from syncing at 7/.5 to 15/1.




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  Reply # 1041782 11-May-2014 17:05
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dcole13:
FireEngine:
dcole13:
FireEngine: The Tech will install a master filter/splitter and isolate the house wiring from the VDSL signal. Once he has done that you will see what the state of the line is...I would think it prequalled at lower than 22.5dB TBH.


I already have a VDSL rated master filter installed.


By who? Whoever did it should the have told you that you may have a fault on the internal wiring....

Anyhow lets see what the tech finds...

I installed myself, and I didn't have a look at the internal wiring, just shoved it in the wall. Worth it though, went from syncing at 7/.5 to 15/1.


The tech <should> rip that out and fit a new one as part of the install. Please let him do so.




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  Reply # 1041783 11-May-2014 17:09
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FireEngine:
dcole13:
FireEngine:
dcole13:
FireEngine: The Tech will install a master filter/splitter and isolate the house wiring from the VDSL signal. Once he has done that you will see what the state of the line is...I would think it prequalled at lower than 22.5dB TBH.


I already have a VDSL rated master filter installed.


By who? Whoever did it should the have told you that you may have a fault on the internal wiring....

Anyhow lets see what the tech finds...

I installed myself, and I didn't have a look at the internal wiring, just shoved it in the wall. Worth it though, went from syncing at 7/.5 to 15/1.


The tech <should> rip that out and fit a new one as part of the install. Please let him do so.


haha, yeah. By shoving it in the wall I meant that I connected it well and properly but it is in the wall so I do not think that the filter is the source of the attenuation.




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  Reply # 1042456 12-May-2014 16:25
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Chorus guy came today - I wasn't even home and he didn't text me or anything, just came up and tested it. Turns out I am too far away :( was looking forward to more speed and better upload. But when he left he forgot to switch us back onto ADSL2+ or he forgot to tell Orcon not to put us on VDSL2. We had no phone line or internet but I could still authenticate to Orcon within my router diagnostics. I am back on ADSL2+ now but  it would have been nice not to go through that hassle. Thanks.




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dcole13: Chorus guy came today - I wasn't even home and he didn't text me or anything, just came up and tested it. Turns out I am too far away :( was looking forward to more speed and better upload. But when he left he forgot to switch us back onto ADSL2+ or he forgot to tell Orcon not to put us on VDSL2. We had no phone line or internet but I could still authenticate to Orcon within my router diagnostics. I am back on ADSL2+ now but  it would have been nice not to go through that hassle. Thanks.


Given that a full install and technician visit is mandatory for VDSL weren't you warned that you needed to be home??? He would have needed to switch you to VDSL, likely he then came and tested sync at the ETP before determining you should be rolled back as he couldn't get any better sync rate than on ADSL. Now if you had been home there could have been a case for a quick isolation of the house wiring and retest.....

Apart from you not being there that is how it is supposed to work but I am concerned you weren't warned to be home.




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  Reply # 1042669 12-May-2014 21:19
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FireEngine:
dcole13: Chorus guy came today - I wasn't even home and he didn't text me or anything, just came up and tested it. Turns out I am too far away :( was looking forward to more speed and better upload. But when he left he forgot to switch us back onto ADSL2+ or he forgot to tell Orcon not to put us on VDSL2. We had no phone line or internet but I could still authenticate to Orcon within my router diagnostics. I am back on ADSL2+ now but  it would have been nice not to go through that hassle. Thanks.


Given that a full install and technician visit is mandatory for VDSL weren't you warned that you needed to be home??? He would have needed to switch you to VDSL, likely he then came and tested sync at the ETP before determining you should be rolled back as he couldn't get any better sync rate than on ADSL. Now if you had been home there could have been a case for a quick isolation of the house wiring and retest.....

Apart from you not being there that is how it is supposed to work but I am concerned you weren't warned to be home.

Yeah, he obviously performed a test, most likely from the ETP but I am really surprised he found it as it was covered and wasn't visible behind many plants. I'm pretty sure we were switched over to the VDSL2 profile as we had no internet, the router could authenticate to the PPP servers and we had no phone line (as naked VDSL over VoIP) 




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FireEngine:
dcole13: Chorus guy came today - I wasn't even home and he didn't text me or anything, just came up and tested it. Turns out I am too far away :( was looking forward to more speed and better upload. But when he left he forgot to switch us back onto ADSL2+ or he forgot to tell Orcon not to put us on VDSL2. We had no phone line or internet but I could still authenticate to Orcon within my router diagnostics. I am back on ADSL2+ now but  it would have been nice not to go through that hassle. Thanks.


Given that a full install and technician visit is mandatory for VDSL weren't you warned that you needed to be home??? He would have needed to switch you to VDSL, likely he then came and tested sync at the ETP before determining you should be rolled back as he couldn't get any better sync rate than on ADSL. Now if you had been home there could have been a case for a quick isolation of the house wiring and retest.....

Apart from you not being there that is how it is supposed to work but I am concerned you weren't warned to be home.

Yeah, he obviously performed a test, most likely from the ETP but I am really surprised he found it as it was covered and wasn't visible behind many plants. I'm pretty sure we were switched over to the VDSL2 profile as we had no internet, the router could authenticate to the PPP servers and we had no phone line (as naked VDSL over VoIP) 




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