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Topic # 152061 14-Sep-2014 21:38
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Hi, I've just moved to Greenlane and I believe Orcon have put me on a LLU connection.

We're using a Genius Black router, which was working well on our old connection in Hamilton.  I was happily getting a 15mbit connection with this router.


Connection stats pretty poor, as below:

 

     

  • Data Rate:

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Upstream

     

    Downstream

     

     

     

    Actual Data Rate

     

    643 (Kbps.)

     

    4639 (Kbps.)

     

     

     

     

 Operation Data / Defect Indication:

 

  •  

     

     

     

    Operation Data

     

    Upstream

     

    Downstream

     

     

     

    Noise Margin

     

    9 dB

     

    9 dB

     

     

     

    Attenuation

     

    34 dB

     

    34 dB

     

     

     

     


     

     

     

     

    Indicator Name

     

    Near End Indicator

     

    Far End Indicator

     

     

     

    CRC Error

     

    12790

     

    541

     

     

     

    HEC Error

     

    51207

     

    1666

     

     

     

     


The best I have seen the router connect at is 9000kbps down, and we are getting frequent disconnects, 64 in the last 4 days.  20 of these are probably from me moving things around and changing router settings, but its certainly too high.

Current Speed test, from speedtest.orcon.net.nz:

Download Speed: 3972 kbps (496.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 351 kbps (43.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 190 ms
14/09/2014 9:08:18 pm

I just tried playing a bit of Heroes & Generals, that was a waste of time (massive rubber banding)

General web browsing is horribly slow.

The router is connected to the master Jack, no other devices connected, infact I have disconnected the rest of the jack points.  The house wiring looks to be about 20 years old, so could potentially be issues.  We don't have a splitter installed.

When the Chorus tech did the install, I got him to do a quick line test and he thought the numbers looked as good as to be expected, since we are going right back to the exchange.

Will Orcon switch me to a normal cabinet connection?

And if not, can I expect better from my LLU?

Cheers



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  Reply # 1128595 14-Sep-2014 21:38
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Hello... Our robot found some keywords in your post, so here is an automated reply with some important things to note regarding broadband speeds.

 



 

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- you have reset your modem and router

 


 

- your PC (or other PCs in your LAN) is not downloading large files when you are testing

 

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- If you are rural or urban

 


 

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Most of the problems with speed are likely to be related to internal wiring issues. Read this discussion to find out more about this. Your ISP is not intentionally slowing you down today (unless you are on a managed plan). Also if this is the school holidays it's likely you will notice slower than usual speed due to more users online.

 



 

A master splitter is required for VDSL2 and in most cases will improve speeds on DSL connections. Regular disconnections can be a monitored alarm or a set top box trying to connect. If there's an alarm connected to your line even if you don't have an alarm contract it may still try to connect so it's worth checking.

 



 

I recommend you read these two blog posts:

 



 

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  Reply # 1128684 15-Sep-2014 01:04
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Would you say it's similar to the problems in this thread here: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=82&topicid=150598&page_no=1 ?

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  Reply # 1128693 15-Sep-2014 01:51
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on the note of your sync speeds.

Looking over them, you would most likely benefit a fair bit from installing a Master Splitter, Ild Recommend talking to coffeebaron here, he offers a pretty good price compared to chorus doing it.


Cant really make any assumptions on your error rates, as you have not supplied an uptime value, repost a fresh copy with the dsl uptime counter? Suspect your high error rate could be the cause for lower than expected speedtests there.

As for the latency, try Tzois thread suggestion? I personally have not been following that thread so i cant comment. 190 ms does not look right however.


try a traceroute to say, trademe and post the results.


Make sure all your testing is done over Ethernet, and there is no other activity on your network.




Assuming your not dealing with a case of being on LLU when you should be on Wholesale (which is very uncommon nodays.) Ild say your real issue is the fact that your Internal wiring is subpar, and due to the lower snr it doesnt preform aswell.


I wouldn't expect to have exactly 15mbit back however.




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  Reply # 1128802 15-Sep-2014 09:23
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Cheers for the replys

A quick speed test this morning shows much better results:



So I'd say I'm likely sufferering peak congestion, however I still expect more that this, and a more stable connection.

Chorus maps show me clearly within the >20mbps zone, although Orcon claim we are too far away for VDSL.  I'd be happy with anything over 10mbps, and a better upstream would help to.

Here are the current Modem stats, uptime has made it to 16h40m - A record since moving in.

 

     

  • Status:

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Configured

     

    Current

     

     

     

    Line Status

     

    Automatic

     

    Up

     

     

     

    Link Type

     

    Automatic

     

    G.992.5 (ADSL2+

     

     

     

     

 

     

  • Data Rate:

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Upstream

     

    Downstream

     

     

     

    Actual Data Rate

     

    643 (Kbps.)

     

    4639 (Kbps.)

     

     

     

     

Operation Data / Defect Indication:

 

  •  

     

     

     

    Operation Data

     

    Upstream

     

    Downstream

     

     

     

    Noise Margin

     

    9 dB

     

    9 dB

     

     

     

    Attenuation

     

    34 dB

     

    34 dB

     

     

     

     


     

     

     

     

    Indicator Name

     

    Near End Indicator

     

    Far End Indicator

     

     

     

    CRC Error

     

    13385

     

    542

     

     

     

    HEC Error

     

    57293

     

    1667

     

     

     

     


Can anyone confirm if I am actually on LLU, and if there is a cabinet I should be connecting to instead?

Cheers



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  Reply # 1128812 15-Sep-2014 09:38
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Bold: Hi, I've just moved to Greenlane and I believe Orcon have put me on a LLU connection.


A line test this morning indicates internal wiring or corrosion at the pillar, will arrange a tech to visit and confirm/resolve.




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  Reply # 1128986 15-Sep-2014 13:12
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Peak congestion or not, you have a line fault as i suspected, and confirmed by FireEngine.


Resolve that first, then look at your congestion as you still have large error counts to remove from the equation. 


Yes. you are on LLU. Chorus gear runs at 12dB, your sitting on 9dB.




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  Reply # 1128991 15-Sep-2014 13:22
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Also the Attenuation 34 dB / 34 dB strongly suggests a layer1 issue



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  Reply # 1129508 15-Sep-2014 22:30
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Thanks FireEngine

I had a note from Chorus in the mailbox when I got home tonight saying they had been to sort the issue.

Haven't had much chance for testing so far tonight, will give a full test with some gaming tomorrow and report back on issues!

Cheers


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  Reply # 1129521 15-Sep-2014 22:55
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Bold: Thanks FireEngine

I had a note from Chorus in the mailbox when I got home tonight saying they had been to sort the issue.

Haven't had much chance for testing so far tonight, will give a full test with some gaming tomorrow and report back on issues!

Cheers



are your stats looking any better?




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  Reply # 1130101 16-Sep-2014 17:30
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Speedtest looking more positive.

I'd still like more downstream, but as long as the connection is solid, I might be able hang out till fibre comes next year.



Modem Stats:
Edit: this is after 18hrs connection up time



Error rate much improved!

I'll be doing some gaming tonight, will see how it copes.

Cheers all

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  Reply # 1130127 16-Sep-2014 17:55
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Next step would be master filter if you want to try squeeze that last bit out before UFB :)





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  Reply # 1130129 16-Sep-2014 17:56
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Thats a sizable improvement!

now look to your internal wiring and perfect it... Ild say that little extra boost in the download that your looking for is possible.

8db snr is interesting too.




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