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Master Geek


  Reply # 169730 7-Oct-2008 23:51
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Anarkist: Orcon seem to block the ability to connect to certain trackers.









HERE'S A TIP FOR YOU: Do not subscribe to Orcon as your ISP if you like to do any of the following

a) Game
b) Download
c) Browse outside of NZ (see here for more information regarding that)



If Orcon are such nasty people, why are you hiding the torrent you were trying to download in UTorrent ?

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Wannabe Geek
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  Reply # 169739 8-Oct-2008 00:17
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I have access to two Orcon connections, one business ADSL2 plan and one standard ADSL1 plan, and tonight I was unable to torrent at all on either connection, from any tracker (including legitimate sites like the VMware Appliance site), until bang on midnight when all of a sudden both clients started working fine.

As others have said, I would probably care less if they actually admitted that this was being done....

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  Reply # 169755 8-Oct-2008 07:01
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PromNZ: If Orcon are such nasty people, why are you hiding the torrent you were trying to download in UTorrent ?


If you took a screenshot of your bank statement to prove someone was stealing from you, would you not cover your credit card number? The same principal applies here. Anonymity and privacy are important, especially on a public forum.

The underlying issue is the topic of discussion here. I'd say a large majority of people in general use peer-to-peer applications, be it for legitimate uses or otherwise. You probably know that as well as I do.




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Master Geek


Reply # 169806 8-Oct-2008 10:13
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I sympathise with the issues you have with the WoW update.
But using uTorrent and complaining that you can't do something that you shouldn't be doing in the first place is pretty silly Laughing

Not sure if the bank statement analogy is the best one here, esp if the bank were to ask why there were so many anonymous donations (unless you're NZ First of course).

I'm with Orcon, download a ton of HD gaming videos from Gamespot, play online a fair bit and constantly browse overseas news websites, with no issues. No Youtube buffering, nor with Sifted Videos, nor with TVU. I think the issue with Orcon is more exchange related, some folks have bad luck with their exchange, others don't.



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  Reply # 169819 8-Oct-2008 11:27
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The point is not what people are downloading, it is having the choice to use the connection however one pleases.  Orcon limits those choices, others do not. Its that simple.
And no youtube buffering? I want what you're on..
Can't watch youtube in the evenings without a large amount of buffering. 
I'm on Orcon too - at least until Telecom reconnects us


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  Reply # 169844 8-Oct-2008 12:45
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drxcm: The point is not what people are downloading, it is having the choice to use the connection however one pleases.  Orcon limits those choices, others do not. Its that simple.


I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.

PromNZ: I sympathise with the issues you have with the WoW update.
But using uTorrent and complaining that you can't do something that you shouldn't be doing in the first place is pretty silly


BitTorrent is used for many more things than downloading illegal content. The same issue occurs when I try and download a copy of Ubuntu via BitTorrent. Same for my beta copy of Warhammer Online.

Theoretically I shouldn't be speeding when I drive either but that doesn't be banned from buying petrol in the evenings and weekends now, does it?




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Master Geek


  Reply # 169871 8-Oct-2008 14:18
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As I said, I sympathise with you for having issues with the Wow update. I don't with your uTorrent downloads, as you chose to blank out the file names which lead me to think you don't want people seeing what you're trying to download, which lead me to conclude that yes while torrents are one acceptable way of distributing data, in this case you're trying to get something you shouldn't be ? And somehow can't. Of course I'm happy to apologise if I'm wrong in this instance.

You'll also find other ISP's are limiting the choices people have for accessing data, as by the long threads about Xnet, Slingshot, Vodafone/Ihug having p2p issues too.

I'm on the Devonport exchange btw.

ps: don't speed on the roads Wink

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Geek


  Reply # 170241 9-Oct-2008 19:13
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http://www.orcon.net.nz/content/view/593/347/


Read this, this means you will do your torrenting during off peak times or yeah bypass the DPI somehow (proxy works... and yes its slower). Once midnight kicks in, torrents do run smoothly, asusming you have Port forwarding enabled for your client and using the right port.

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  Reply # 170270 9-Oct-2008 19:51
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abusg: http://www.orcon.net.nz/content/view/593/347/


Read this, this means you will do your torrenting during off peak times or yeah bypass the DPI somehow (proxy works... and yes its slower). Once midnight kicks in, torrents do run smoothly, asusming you have Port forwarding enabled for your client and using the right port.


They advise it's deprioritised. Nowhere does it mention denial of service during peak hours.

Orcon: 2.3 Orcon prioritises certain types of traffic such as web and email. Other types of traffic such as peer to peer (P2P) are deprioritised.




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Geek


  Reply # 170273 9-Oct-2008 20:00
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That is why I run torrents before going to sleep and wake up with some of them done and in some cases all.

Edit: As far as I know, it is only completely disabled on the older Zeroshock plan.

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Reply # 170836 13-Oct-2008 12:28
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drxcm: I see a theme developing here...
Well, we're leaving Orcon, only 1 and a half weeks after signing up with them.  
Back to xtra it is...


HEAR ! HEAR !

I share these frustrations regarding the torrent speeds.
I thought the problem is on my end. I just moved to
their ADSL+ plans and there weren't any improvements.
I'll get rid of Orcon and move to Vodafone and see
how it goes.

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Master Geek

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  Reply # 171044 14-Oct-2008 11:21
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abusg: That is why I run torrents before going to sleep and wake up with some of them done and in some cases all.

Edit: As far as I know, it is only completely disabled on the older Zeroshock plan.


Hi guys,

Just to clarify... we do not completely disable and/or deny access to peer to peer traffic on any of our broadband plans (including ZeroShock). We are quite up front about our traffic prioritisation, as many of you have noticed already. This is done to protect the user experience for all customers.

ZeroShock customers are provisioned in a seperate bandwidth pool, so that if they all do go crazy downloading every 'linux distro' available (as they seem to do from time to time) their usage patterns do not affect customers on other plans.

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Master Geek
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  Reply # 171047 14-Oct-2008 11:29
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Yes, however I am NOT on a Zero Shock plan.

I am on an old plan 40gb, $40

and no, I dont plan to move from it.

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Master Geek


  Reply # 171066 14-Oct-2008 13:20
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orcon just manages P2P traffic very hardout, it may seem like torrent isnt working at all. Chances are it is working, but it's managed very very very hard by the prioritising system so sometimes it just wasnt moving at all.

orcon has pretty much told everyone about it and they wont change anything about it.

meh. thats just the way it is. looks like many ppl including me will be joining telecom soon.


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  Reply # 171068 14-Oct-2008 13:36
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duncanblair:
abusg: That is why I run torrents before going to sleep and wake up with some of them done and in some cases all.

Edit: As far as I know, it is only completely disabled on the older Zeroshock plan.


Hi guys,

Just to clarify... we do not completely disable and/or deny access to peer to peer traffic on any of our broadband plans (including ZeroShock). We are quite up front about our traffic prioritisation, as many of you have noticed already. This is done to protect the user experience for all customers.

ZeroShock customers are provisioned in a seperate bandwidth pool, so that if they all do go crazy downloading every 'linux distro' available (as they seem to do from time to time) their usage patterns do not affect customers on other plans.


Then explain to me why my client can't announce. If you're shaping to the point where even a tracker announce isn't able to be processed then surely this is classed as denial of service regardless.

Put to you as a direct question: Do your packet inspection techniques cause TCP/UDP (or both) connections that could be classed as peer-to-peer (more specifically a BitTorrent client announce over TCP or falling back to UDP)to be rejected during any time period what-so-ever?

My line went back over to another ISP in just under a week of being with you, and without any changes to any type of configuration I have no trouble with anything now. Obviously that rules out my CPE and configuration, pointing the finger directly at yourselves.




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