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  Reply # 362058 3-Aug-2010 07:04
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It's looks to be shaping again. When you get monkeys on the shaping engine they go too far and it kills rather than controls downloads.

Try using a download accelerator and I'm getting 400K(bytes not bits :-) ) from US again for most of the download.

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  Reply # 362622 3-Aug-2010 20:43
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So were is Sounddude?
Currently trying to download a You Tube video at .. well, its not even connecting.

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  Reply # 362630 3-Aug-2010 20:54
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......tvnz on demand is stuttering/stopping....zzzz

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  Reply # 362645 3-Aug-2010 21:10
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13kb/sec on You Tube.
The adverts on GZ are having trouble loading

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  Reply # 362708 3-Aug-2010 23:29
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alliao: I agree that orcon's not being too open about some things.

Such as how does a customer's line gets degraded performance when it's getting cabinetised.

Pre cabinetised line goes from client's premise to an exchange which is far away.
After, the line presumably either runs THROUGH telecom's cabinet THEN goes to the old exchange, OR isn't affected and still only goes to the old exchange.

In the first case, a performance degradation is expected, however wouldn't Orcon have the rights to sue telecom for damages in doing so? I don't understand how lines can be so obviously "slowed" with no one being responsible, and thus no repercussion for their action.



My understanding of the reason behind this is that the Telecom Wholesale connections are terminated at the cabinet, while the LLU connections must pass through the cabinet to get terminated at the exchange.  Apparently the problem with this is that the signal strength of the cabinetised connections is much stronger than that of the LLU connections as a result, and introduce atrocious amounts of line noise.




I finally have fibre!  Had to leave the country to get it though.


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  Reply # 362712 3-Aug-2010 23:41

Kyanar: 
My understanding of the reason behind this is that the Telecom Wholesale connections are terminated at the cabinet, while the LLU connections must pass through the cabinet to get terminated at the exchange.  Apparently the problem with this is that the signal strength of the cabinetised connections is much stronger than that of the LLU connections as a result, and introduce atrocious amounts of line noise.


Makes you wonder what kind of telecommunication engineering is that, I've heard of repeaters or amps that boosts signal so one can carry signals further. How and WHY would someone designed a box where it'd "introduce" additional signals so much so that it'd disrupt the previous signal is... unheard of.

It almost reminds me of pirate radios like Kiss FM. Whereby one station broadcast lawlessly with their own equipment to the extent that it essentially overcome the legit station by rules of physics....

how is it not illegal?



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  Reply # 362750 4-Aug-2010 07:56
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Same thing last night - occasional periods where international access was awful. This is the worst and lowest level of connectivity I have experienced with Orcon. Things have steadily declined since May 2009.

I sent them a fault email, but given the number of responses on this thread I doubt that anything major ever really happens.

How disappointing - particularly as we're in an area where Telecom have not provided enough ADSL ports, so if we try to switch, we'll be without an internet provider for months.

Sad sad state of affairs.




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  Reply # 362866 4-Aug-2010 11:46
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Looks like the bandaid fell off ...

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  Reply # 363420 5-Aug-2010 08:07
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Kyanar:
alliao: I agree that orcon's not being too open about some things.

Such as how does a customer's line gets degraded performance when it's getting cabinetised.

Pre cabinetised line goes from client's premise to an exchange which is far away.
After, the line presumably either runs THROUGH telecom's cabinet THEN goes to the old exchange, OR isn't affected and still only goes to the old exchange.

In the first case, a performance degradation is expected, however wouldn't Orcon have the rights to sue telecom for damages in doing so? I don't understand how lines can be so obviously "slowed" with no one being responsible, and thus no repercussion for their action.



My understanding of the reason behind this is that the Telecom Wholesale connections are terminated at the cabinet, while the LLU connections must pass through the cabinet to get terminated at the exchange.  Apparently the problem with this is that the signal strength of the cabinetised connections is much stronger than that of the LLU connections as a result, and introduce atrocious amounts of line noise.


Or in my case, cabinetised last week - getting fantastic synch speeds and yet speedtest speeds are still around same level as before the upgrade.

Post Cabinet:
--- System Information ---
Vendor: Linksys
ModelName: WAG325N
Firmware Version: A1.00.11 , 2007-08-15
Boot Version: 1.0.37-5.4
Hardware Version: 0.01

--- DSL Information ---
DSL Driver Version:  AnnexA version - A2pB022g.d20e
DSL VPI/VCI:         0/100
DSL Status:          ShowtimeRetrain Reason:    0
DSL Mode:            ADSL2+
DSL Channel:         FAST
DSL Upstream Rate:   956 Kbps
DSL Downstream Rate: 20839 Kbps

                      Down         up
DSL Noise Margin:    11.8 dB      14.4 dB
DSL Attenuation:     11.0 dB       4.3 dB
DSL Transmit Power:   0.0 dBm     12.6 dBm

Pre Cabinet average sync speeds were around - 3200/650

Speedtest Results

12/02/2009 5:06    GMT    2.68    0.52    24    Auckland    0
7/28/2010 5:47 AM    GMT    2.98    0.76    26    Auckland    0
7/28/2010 5:49 AM    GMT    2.97    0.76    25    Auckland    0
7/28/2010 10:56 AM    GMT    2.97    0.76    27    Auckland    0
7/30/2010 10:29 PM    GMT    2.97    0.75    25    Auckland    0
7/31/2010 11:35 PM    GMT    2.98    0.76    26    Auckland    0
7/31/2010 11:35 PM    GMT    2.98    0.75    75    Sydney    1350
7/31/2010 11:38 PM    GMT    2.96    0.74    23    Auckland    0
8/02/2010 10:03    GMT    2.99    0.76    25    Auckland    0
8/03/2010 23:43    GMT    2.99    0.75    25    Auckland    0
8/03/2010 23:44    GMT    2.97    0.72    34    Christchurch    450
8/04/2010 1:11    GMT    2.97    0.68    26    Auckland    0

Neighbour who is on Xtra and using crappy Thompson gear synchs @ 15000 and gets a consistent 12.0 download off of speedtest. Go figure.

Bugger..

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  Reply # 364681 7-Aug-2010 15:21
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Sllllllooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwww.

My area is getting a cabinet in a couple of weeks. Will that help my speed?

Or should I switch to telecom since it is their equipment? 

0o0

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  Reply # 364743 7-Aug-2010 17:38
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I'm on orcon+ and my area got a cabinet on the 30th of july...speeds dropped from 5mbps to under 2 and i'm still trying to get them to sort it out and move me to a wholesale plan.
Slow progress, so i wouldn't hold your breath at getting better speeds.

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  Reply # 364769 7-Aug-2010 18:29
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0o0: I'm on orcon+ and my area got a cabinet on the 30th of july...speeds dropped from 5mbps to under 2 and i'm still trying to get them to sort it out and move me to a wholesale plan.
Slow progress, so i wouldn't hold your breath at getting better speeds.


Wouldn't it just be easier to switch to Telecom and get excellent speeds? OR doesn't it work like that? I haven't really looked at how the cabinets work tbh. 

0o0

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  Reply # 364787 7-Aug-2010 19:06
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Yeah it probably would be, but moving to a wholesale orcon plan should technically give the same improved speeds. It seems like it'll take another week or two to get transferred at this rate i thought it would be rather simple but apparently not :P
Also telecom doesn't really have a plan for our high usage.

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  Reply # 364801 7-Aug-2010 19:50
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Snackos: Sllllllooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwww.

My area is getting a cabinet in a couple of weeks. Will that help my speed?

Or should I switch to telecom since it is their equipment? 


Just wait it out and see what happens after the cabinetisation. My speeds more than doubled when I was cabinetised, so it could be worth waiting for. Afterall, you aren't bound to a contract with Orcon, but you would be with Telecom, so it's best to see what the results are before considering the switch to another ISP.



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  Reply # 365050 8-Aug-2010 17:22
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Just had a 10 minute period with almost total loss of connectivity. A few things were working but no web or mail.




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